Lake Berryessa Letter???

[TheMist]

That video also shows however that the writing was done with felt tip pen. How does a copy-cat know to use the same type of pen?

The options for writing on a car door are somewhat limited.

[CuriousCat]

Always looked to me like he used one of those big, broad tipped markers to write on the door. What I always thought was interesting was how he filled in the two dots in 6:30 to look like the symbols he used in the ciphers.

[Tahoe27]

If the writing on the door was blue that would be a noteworthy clue, but the Chronicle on Oct 2 69 was correct when they wrote that the lettering on the door was in black ink. I haven't gone through the reports in some time but if you watch an hour and eleven minutes in to the This is the Zodiac Speaking documentary where Hartnell goes to visit the door you can see that it is black. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI0jnsbZwys Never the less I am pretty darn sure it was Zodiac.

Looks like it was black, my memory was blue. That video also shows however that the writing was done with felt tip pen. How does a copy-cat know to use the same type of pen?

These bogus copy cat claims continue to persist, and the people who make these claims never back much up outside of vague "it was in the paper, he could match it from that."

I would challenge anyone claiming the handwriting was copied from the few letters published up to that point to find what he used. They won't because they can't. The early letters didn't provide the traits found in the later letters and the car door.

Just like
-felt tip pen
-The pleated pants (that the LB copy cat copied from the future PS Z)
-The use of letters and punctuation not found until later letters.
-The almost identical script in his call after the crime.

And even when there is a attempt to say a copy-cat was so good he nailed so many of these intricacies perfectly, they fail to remember the LB didn't copy the established MO AT ALL!

You made a much ado about nothing when it came to the blue felt-tip pen on the car door. What other type of pen would write that big and clearly on a car door? Those old-school, black, stinky, thick felt-tips, certainly not a ball-point pen. Pleated pants? If not in jeans...chances were pretty good.

"I would challenge anyone claiming the handwriting was copied from the few letters published up to that point to find what he used. They won't because they can't. The early letters didn't provide the traits found in the later letters and the car door."

Both in the Vallejo paper prior to LB:






There is nothing wrong discussing the possible validity of it. Sorry if this upsets anyone.

[Paul_Averly]

The copy cat also correctly guessed to use the same monotone voice from the BRS call.

That letter printed is a great example of how Z wasn't even prominently using the candy cane F.
Uses of "F" in the letter are uppercase like "Fry." The lower once are not the full cane.

If you guys want to continue to promote an idiotic theory and spread misinformation, there are terrible internet forums that want you as a member!

[Tahoe27]

Well, according to Nancy Slover, his voice sounded mature...like Richard Gaikowski, and according to Slaight and Harntell, his voice sounded like a young student...so there is that.

Your next statement sort of proves my point. The writing isn't always the same...and the car door has some distinctive differences. With that, and the fact it is a car door, how can it be proof?

It's not spreading misinformation. It's merely pointing out observations.

You challenged anyone to provide information an impostor would have used and said, we "can't".....well, we can.

[Paul_Averly]

Sure Tahoe
The copy cat looked at the f on the left and made the one on the right.

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The idea that someone fleeing a murder scene would and even could spend the time to copy the Zodiac writing that accurately (compare the cab door to any established Z letters, it is dead on) is completely absurd.

So keep trying!

[Tahoe27]

You continue to prove my point.

[Richard Grinell]

Here is a neutral observation: Imagine the Zodiac Killer had not mailed any correspondence after the Paul Stine murder, including the shirt piece- nobody would have believed this was a Zodiac crime based on any of the three crimes that preceded it. But obviously, everybody accepts this is a Zodiac crime now, indicating that a Zodiac crime bearing very little hallmarks to his previous crimes can now be accepted as a Zodiac crime. Couldn't the same model be applied to the Berryessa crime, which some believe has little resemblance to his initial two attacks. If the phone call wasn't made, Bryan Hartnell hadn't survived and documented the costume and the car door writing didn't exist, but the killer had written a lengthy communication instead, in similar handwriting to the July 31st letters, would that be more compelling evidence than the other three combined.
If we use the handwriting on the car door and argue it doesn't look like Zodiac's, could we argue that any subsequent correspondence after October 11th 1969 that didn't contain a shirt piece, could just as easily be dismissed on handwriting alone. In terms of the car door writing- attempting a comparison to material he probably wrote in the comfort of his own home, to writing on a cambered door, likely squatting in front of it, having just stabbed a couple 16 times, is not a rational and fair comparison to be made.
Equally, comparing this handwriting on the car door to Zodiac letters is not very productive. Compare the three E's, and four 6's on the car door to one another. None of them match to each other. So comparing individual letters from the car door to Zodiac letters, is fraught with danger. Using comparisons to one another, we could argue there were four different writer's, who contributed to the four 6's on the car door, because none are consistent with one another.

[TomVoigt]

Tahoe, if you want some people to take your theory seriously, make a YouTube video with spooky music.

[CuriousCat]

Well, I'm certainly no expert, but the way Vallejo is spelled on the door and in one of the Chronical letters seems very much the same to me, concentrating on the a, j and e.

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That lower case f is very distinctive. Thought it a bit odd it closely matches this f from the Riverside desktop poem. I though it odd because I've never really thought Z wrote the desktop poem or was involved in the CJB murder.

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