Lake Berryessa Letter???

[Zresearch]

however: I can not establish the creation date of this "true moon/13moon calender"

DALI days are the 1st, 8th, 15th and 22nd of each moon cycle, so perhaps without the calendar the dates still could have been specifically chosen.

I think this calendar was established around 1992, or something...

Lunar calendars are ancient, and even calendars like the The McKenna-Meyer Goddess Calendar have been around for a while...

Can there be any correlation here? Could this calendar, or another calendar using the dali days with that symbol have been around in the late 1960s?

[Druzer]

Richard Grinell has written an interesting piece exploring the possibility that the dripping pen card and 340 were written between the Lake Berryessa and Paul Stine episodes. https://www.zodiacciphers.com/zodiac-ne ... tings-card

[margie]

Nonononono...there was no LB letter..

First, Z had only two weeks inbetween LB and Stine attack, thus he couldn't wait a month or so to send the letter. Second, Z explicitly 'excused' himself for not having written a letter.

"Sorry I haven't written but I just washed my pen.."

QT

I absolutely feel that LB was genuine Z. I was wondering how long it was from murder to letter in his other crimes as well ... and QT you said what I was thinking. Z usually waited to write a letter. Since Stine took place 2 weeks after and since Hartnell had already given him the press he craved ... and the writing was on the car ... I think that Z just moved on to Stine with no letter. LB was personal to Z, it meant something, it was the culmination of his full Z character he created for himself. I think that was all Z needed for himself. Stine was a provoked attack by the police questioning what was wrong with Z that he only killed couples ...insinuating that he was sexually inept. (IMO!)

And just a thought .... Ted Bundy wouldn't talk about all of his crimes. Some were too personal to him. They perhaps looked all the same to lookers on ... but some of them meant / felt different to him. To me the LB attack was the 'one' for Z.

margie

[duckking2001]

The thing about the pin/button was Zodiac having a joke, most likely about Belli, playing off of the real button that existed and said, "Melville eats blubber." If you want to know what that was about, google it.

He probably was not talking about a button that the actual Melvin himself wore, which doesn't make any sense in the context. On the other hand if you think that is what he REAllY meant, then sure, why not? The whole thing is nonsensical.

He wanted people to wear "Zodiac" buttons, OK... But here's the thing, he claims that people did not comply with his orders to wear said buttons. How did he know that they didn't? How would he even know if they did? I'm guessing that someone probably DID in fact wear one. Why not? They saw it in the newspaper, of course they would, just as a joke. Like an original meme. Even Paul Avery was wearing stupid buttons because of the Zodiac.

Nearly Everything that Zodiac did was stupid. Which brings us back to the topic...

Maybe he didn't write a letter about Lake B just because he didn't feel like it. Why should he have had a reason to write a letter, or better yet why does he need one for not writing it?

He committed 4 separate crimes. In regards to those crimes he wrote two letters discussing them following each additional crime, EG, after the second and after the fourth ones. That actually is perfectly consistent. So what is the basis for the assumption that he should have written a letter after the lake?

He can be excused from writing following the first murder for whatever reason. He chose to write about it afterwards when he could have chosen to not say anything, so he wanted it to be known. His first and second letters establish details to prove that he is the murderer. Same for his letters after killing Stine. After the lake attack he wrote on the door and made the phone call.

All of that is consistent with his desire to show proof that he was the killer. Unless you think there is some other reason that he has for writing those letters, why is it needed for him to specifically give evidence through letters as opposed to other means? The Stine attack was the only one where he presented a piece of the victims clothing. Why was that the only case where he presented physical evidence taken from the crime scene, when he could have done that for the others as well? Simply because he most likely didn't think of it before and for no other complicated reason.

[Marshall]

Maybe he didn't write a letter about Lake B just because he didn't feel like it. Why should he have had a reason to write a letter, or better yet why does he need one for not writing it?

He committed 4 separate crimes. In regards to those crimes he wrote two letters discussing them following each additional crime, EG, after the second and after the fourth ones. That actually is perfectly consistent. So what is the basis for the assumption that he should have written a letter after the lake?

He can be excused from writing following the first murder for whatever reason. He chose to write about it afterwards when he could have chosen to not say anything, so he wanted it to be known. His first and second letters establish details to prove that he is the murderer. Same for his letters after killing Stine. After the lake attack he wrote on the door and made the phone call.

All of that is consistent with his desire to show proof that he was the killer. Unless you think there is some other reason that he has for writing those letters, why is it needed for him to specifically give evidence through letters as opposed to other means? The Stine attack was the only one where he presented a piece of the victims clothing. Why was that the only case where he presented physical evidence taken from the crime scene, when he could have done that for the others as well? Simply because he most likely didn't think of it before and for no other complicated reason.

But, in the Stine letter he says "I am the same man who did in the people in the north bay area." So, when he does choose to write, and he does decide to mention his crimes, he seems to actually exclude LB. Why claim it on a car door and weeks later, exclude it in the letter (a letter which is 100% authenticated, with the bloody shirt piece.)

Unless you want to say the "north bay area" extends all the way to LB.

[Tahoe27]

Why the need to say, "I am the same man who did in the people in the north bay area"?

Um...yah...it was all over the news. We very much know who Zodiac is at this point. Odd to throw that in, imo.

[RTF]

... in the Stine letter he says "I am the same man who did in the people in the north bay area." So, when he does choose to write, and he does decide to mention his crimes, he seems to actually exclude LB. Why claim it on a car door and weeks later, exclude it in the letter (a letter which is 100% authenticated, with the bloody shirt piece.)...

This non-mention of the lake is perhaps a clue in itself; that Z was brought up in Monticello, the town razed to the ground and sunk below Berryessa reservoir - under protest from locals who were displaced and wiped off the map to benefit North Bay towns including Vallejo and Benicia.

If the homeland you loved was wiped out, flooded and renamed by outsiders, could you bear to utter its new name, or even say it was a "lake"?

It's not hard to imagine one of Monticello's unhappy, displaced sons winding up in Vallejo - the country boy in the industrial town that took away his home. A resentful outsider getting into trouble.

[joku]

... in the Stine letter he says "I am the same man who did in the people in the north bay area." So, when he does choose to write, and he does decide to mention his crimes, he seems to actually exclude LB. Why claim it on a car door and weeks later, exclude it in the letter (a letter which is 100% authenticated, with the bloody shirt piece.)...

This non-mention of the lake is perhaps a clue in itself; that Z was brought up in Monticello, the town razed to the ground and sunk below Berryessa reservoir - under protest from locals who were displaced and wiped off the map to benefit North Bay towns including Vallejo and Benicia.

If the homeland you loved was wiped out, flooded and renamed by outsiders, could you bear to utter its new name, or even say it was a "lake"?

It's not hard to imagine one of Monticello's unhappy, displaced sons winding up in Vallejo - the country boy in the industrial town that took away his home. A resentful outsider getting into trouble.

Good point about the lack of mention being a clue in itself. If not from Monticello, he may have actually lived near enough the lake to consider it, in hindsight, too risky to bring any more attention to it.

[Marshall]

... in the Stine letter he says "I am the same man who did in the people in the north bay area." So, when he does choose to write, and he does decide to mention his crimes, he seems to actually exclude LB. Why claim it on a car door and weeks later, exclude it in the letter (a letter which is 100% authenticated, with the bloody shirt piece.)...

This non-mention of the lake is perhaps a clue in itself; that Z was brought up in Monticello, the town razed to the ground and sunk below Berryessa reservoir - under protest from locals who were displaced and wiped off the map to benefit North Bay towns including Vallejo and Benicia.

If the homeland you loved was wiped out, flooded and renamed by outsiders, could you bear to utter its new name, or even say it was a "lake"?

It's not hard to imagine one of Monticello's unhappy, displaced sons winding up in Vallejo - the country boy in the industrial town that took away his home. A resentful outsider getting into trouble.

Good point about the lack of mention being a clue in itself. If not from Monticello, he may have actually lived near enough the lake to consider it, in hindsight, too risky to bring any more attention to it.

A guy wearing a crazy outfit stalks and butchers two people, writes all over their car door... and later decides that listing it among his attacks (like he did on the car door) in a letter which includes the bloody shirt piece of a man shot in the head at point-blank range is drawing too much attention?

I don't follow that. Certainly the Stine killing and letter was going to bring up, and even amplify, the LB incident. By everyone else that is, but curiously, the one exception is Z himself. He doesn't mention it.

I don't think it was the same guy.

[morf13]

And a copycat Lake Berryessa attacker just happens to have identical writing to the Zodiac, enough to fool the experts???