Zodiac DID wear glases under his hood at Berryessa!

[jroberson]

Yes, it's not like there was a transcriber on scene or anything.

We don't don't if she actually said what she supposedly said, and we don't don't when or under what circumstances. We don't don't if she made her claims after hearing Hartnell give his story. In what condition was her mind? How were her claims documented? When? By whom? How many people did they pass through before landing on paper? Et cetera.

And then you have demonstrable nonsense creeping into the narrative, such as Hartnell offering himself first. Where did that originate? By whom? And so on.

[morf13]

Another 'poorly written' report from the time of the crime mentioning that it appeared that Zodiac's clip on glasses were connected to glasses underneath the hood

[Norse]

The problem is that Bryan states explicitly that the clip-ons were attached to the hood, not to a pair of regular glasses.

His direct, first person testimony contradicts that of CS – which is related through a third person.

Isn't it possible that CS was simply mistaken? She saw a pair of clip-ons and assumed they were attached to regular glasses (which clip-ons normally are)?

This isn't a case of doubting the only evidence available – it's a question of determining which source is the best one. The sources contradict each other.

[Seagull]

This report also states that there was, in addition to the large "O" openings for the eyes, that it had a "J" mouth. I don't think that I've ever heard that before from anyone.

[morf13]

Isn't it possible that CS was simply mistaken?

Sure,it's just as possible as Bryan being mistaken

[morf13]

Don't forget, Cecelia had a closer encounter with Z as she took the rope from him, maybe she saw a different view or angle of Z that allowed her to see glasses.

[Norse]

Yes – but Bryan states explicitly that the clip-ons were attached to the fabric. He noticed this.

Also on the eyelets on the mask was a pair of clip-on sunglasses, the glasses clipped to the eyelets.

And he had clip-on sunglasses...it was hard to tell. You know, the sunglasses you clip on when you're wearing glasses, eyeglasses. He had those clipped on. I'm pretty sure...I don't think he had glasses, though. I think he just had these clipped on to his suit...you know, that little mask.

If he was mistaken, he was mistaken about something very specific.

If CS was mistaken, her mistake is much more understandable and general, one might say (assuming the clip-ons were attached to glasses).

[jroberson]

Can we all just agree that Bryan and Mageau were both lying/hallucinating about what they saw and Cecelia was the best eyewitness out of all three?

[morf13]

Can we all just agree that Bryan and Mageau were both lying/hallucinating about what they saw and Cecelia was the best eyewitness out of all three?

Not sure what this post means, not saying at all Bryan is lying, and Mageau...well, not sure he may have been hallucinating.

[jroberson]

They were both hallucinating, then, because you can't have Mageau and Hartnell claim the Zodiac wasn't wearing eyeglasses and still have Cecelia saying otherwise.

Somebody is wrong here. They can't all be right.