Zodiac DID wear glases under his hood at Berryessa!

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Re: Zodiac DID wear glases under his hood at Berryessa!

Postby Norse » Sat May 16, 2015 5:20 am

Re: descise

If you actually look entirle different (or even slightly different) when you do your thing – why admit it?
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Re: Zodiac DID wear glases under his hood at Berryessa!

Postby morf13 » Sat May 16, 2015 5:38 am

Norse wrote:Re: descise

If you actually look entirle different (or even slightly different) when you do your thing – why admit it?


Good point
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Re: Zodiac DID wear glases under his hood at Berryessa!

Postby BigMajestic » Sat May 16, 2015 9:51 am

Just my thoughts Tahoe. I just don't see why he would lie. All he gets is embarrassment and shame. No accolades or limelight. And as far as her description copying Brian ' s , if they're seeing the same guy it should.
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Re: Zodiac DID wear glases under his hood at Berryessa!

Postby Norse » Sat May 16, 2015 10:51 am

If the man did wear regular glasses – why did he attach the clip-ons to the fabric of the hood?

Would this have been preferable to simply attaching them to his regular glasses - which is what you normally do?

Genuine question. Perhaps there's some logic to it.
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Re: Zodiac DID wear glases under his hood at Berryessa!

Postby morf13 » Sat May 16, 2015 12:58 pm

Norse wrote:If the man did wear regular glasses – why did he attach the clip-ons to the fabric of the hood?

Would this have been preferable to simply attaching them to his regular glasses - which is what you normally do?

Genuine question. Perhaps there's some logic to it.


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Re: Zodiac DID wear glases under his hood at Berryessa!

Postby Tahoe27 » Sat May 16, 2015 1:30 pm

BigMajestic wrote:Just my thoughts Tahoe. I just don't see why he would lie. All he gets is embarrassment and shame. No accolades or limelight. And as far as her description copying Brian ' s , if they're seeing the same guy it should.


He did though. He made stuff up that didn't happen. It's in his own words. I don't mind your thoughts. :) But if one believes Collins and that Cecelia was the one behind the composite, then she did not describe a man with glasses.

How does that work for people who believe Collins?

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EDIT: Just to add. Collins had two choices in how to respond to that question from the interviewer.

1) He made it all up
2) He didn't think it was important.

What else is there to say? I can see why he would choose the latter, but if he went to such extent with Cecelia--why if it didn't matter?

When I was talking about the report being like Bryan's I was talking about the questioning approach. "I'm this tall, how tall do you think he was"....yes, could be simple cop tactics, but when you consider all the other bs....just something too convenient about it, imo.
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Re: Zodiac DID wear glases under his hood at Berryessa!

Postby Norse » Sat May 16, 2015 1:40 pm

morf13 wrote:
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Well...yes!

But the question is why attach your shades to the fabric (which is what Z did – Bryan noticed this, he made special note of it) and not to your glasses? If he had glasses, why not attach the shades to the glasses? Seems like a simpler solution.

On the other hand, if he didn't have any glasses – then he had to attach his shades to the fabric.
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Re: Zodiac DID wear glases under his hood at Berryessa!

Postby Seagull » Sat May 16, 2015 2:49 pm

Norse wrote:
morf13 wrote:
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Well...yes!

But the question is why attach your shades to the fabric (which is what Z did – Bryan noticed this, he made special note of it) and not to your glasses? If he had glasses, why not attach the shades to the glasses? Seems like a simpler solution.

On the other hand, if he didn't have any glasses – then he had to attach his shades to the fabric.


The only explanation I can think of for this is that perhaps Zodiac realized that parts of his face could be seen through the eye holes, or maybe it was one wide horizontal eye hole, and he thought if he could more or less block that hole but still see out of the hood there would be less of a chance of the victims seeing very much of his face. Total speculation.
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Re: Zodiac DID wear glases under his hood at Berryessa!

Postby Norse » Sun May 17, 2015 5:40 am

Taking BH's and CS's statements at face value, they're actually describing two different things.

BH: Clip-ons attached to fabric. Pretty sure there were no regular glasses behind the shades.

CS: Attacker wore glasses with clip-ons.

CS never says anything about the man wearing regular glasses in addition to clip-ons (which were attached to the fabric). According to her the clip-ons were attached in the normal fashion, i.e. directly to the regular glasses.

Well – the above simply can't be true, unless we decide that BH was completely mistaken.
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Re: Zodiac DID wear glases under his hood at Berryessa!

Postby Norse » Sun May 17, 2015 5:43 am

Seagull wrote:
The only explanation I can think of for this is that perhaps Zodiac realized that parts of his face could be seen through the eye holes, or maybe it was one wide horizontal eye hole, and he thought if he could more or less block that hole but still see out of the hood there would be less of a chance of the victims seeing very much of his face. Total speculation.


Yes - that's a possibility.

Perhaps the eye slit was large enough to afford a view, from certain angles, inside the hood. Attaching the clip-ons in that way would make sense if that was the case.
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