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morf13 wrote:

Tahoe27 wrote:And what Cecelia states is coming from other people. We already know what happened with Ranger White...he took it upon himself to state things that never happened (as did Officer Collins). Probably not intentionally, but it's easy for people to perceive things differently.

None at BRS, maybe at LB, glasses in S.F. To me, if one NEEDS glasses, you wear them all the time and BRS and Bryan's comment leads me to him not needing them. Paul Stine needed them. Where were they? Did Zodiac touch them and it was easier to just grab them? ??

Just another thing up for debate.

Somebody on scene that got the info from Cecelia as she told it to them, it's part of the report. She saw him before he put the hood on, Bryan did not. The next time he was seen, he was also wearing glasses. It is what it is.

Via the report http://www.zodiackiller.com/LBReport7.html Ranger White tells officers that Cecelia "could not see the responsible's face as a hood was covering all of his head. He also had what "appeared to be clip-on sunglasses to cover his eyes".

Then we have Mrs. White (no relation to the Ranger) saying Cecelia said the guy wore "glasses with dark clip-on glasses over the hood".

From what I have personally seen, nowhere does it state Cecelia described him with glasses prior to the hood.

--Something else to consider. The three girls, nor the doctor and son describe a man wearing glasses. Chances are, one of those guys (if not both) is your man.

Yes Zodiac probably wore no glasses at BRS, I just found it interesting he only ever saw a profile view and the killer driving away, but gave an opinion on a pompadour style hair, short and curly, light brown almost blond, heavyset, not blubbery fat, 195-200 lbs, 5'8", yet never saw him face on. Next time he saw him driving away. Amazingly accurate detail only in profile, in near darkness, at midnight, with a flashlight in your face and jumping around the car in terror. I hope I am not being unfair.

Well, none of that is actually inconsistent with seeing the guy in profile (hair, build, height, large face, etc.).

I think we need to separate strictly between MM in 1969 and MM in later years (when he became a thoroughly non-credible witness). There's every reason to doubt anything he claimed later on – but there isn't really any reason to doubt his original testimony. Part of it is pretty vague, part of it more guesswork on his part than clear recollection, but this distinction is clear – and seems to be clear to himself too.

I don't think he was fabricating anything and I don't think he was holding anything back. He told them what he remembered – some details more clearly recalled than others.

UKSpycatcher wrote:Hartnell was under heavy sedation after an extremely traumatic event, the transcripts suggest even he wasn't sure,

The transcripts says he was "groggy" the first time the police interviewed him. Not so the second time.

Norse wrote:With LB it's different. Bryan doesn't state that he definitely did not have glasses, only that he doesn't think so. The compelling bit with his statement, however, is that he remarks - explicitly - that the clip-ons were attached to the hood.

Hartnell says "I'm pretty sure" with respect to him having no glasses and instead wearing clip-on sunglasses attached directly to his hood.

This was right after the attack, and Hartnell, according to his own words, made a pretty good attempt to detail the individual.



As determinedly as Hartnell was likely looking, there's no way, I think, he would have missed the kind of glasses the Zodiac was reported to have worn at PH, or any glasses at all.

Would you?

So if he had no prescription glasses on at BRS or LB, maybe his claim of wearing a disguise in the Bus Bomb Letter is possible and this was his intention at PH.

I still say it would be odd for Zodiac to put on Paul's glasses, but we KNOW Paul needed them and from all accounts, Paul's were missing.

Could it be he got the feeling he was being watched?

This discussion seems to be as divided as the Cheri Jo Bates in relation to Zodiac discussion.

*Clip on glasses, may or may not have been attached to real glasses

*Hartnell didn't notice glasses

*Cecelia told somebody he had glasses and it is noted in report, and years later, Collins although he never mentioned in a report what Cecilia told him, also mentions glasses.

As an added curve ball, creepy guy seen by 3 girls, who may or not have been Z, did not have glasses.

Geeze,it's all over the place.

I guess it comes down to what you believe. Me personally, I will go with what Cecelia stated to a witness, and that matching Zodiac wearing glasses at the Stine scene

Tahoe27 wrote:I still say it would be odd for Zodiac to put on Paul's glasses, but we KNOW Paul needed them and from all accounts, Paul's were missing.

Could it be he got the feeling he was being watched?

I have put on some prescription glasses of Family members before, and I honestly do not know if I would be able to walk around, especially at night.

Wouldn't have Bryan have mentioned that Cecelia said the guy was wearing glasses prior to the hood though? Sure seems like he would have said something like that had he been aware of it.