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EndOfTheWorld wrote:PH witnesses had him at 5-8----5-10 and around 200 lbs.--stocky.

They were upstairs, across the street and at night. Bryan was right in front of him in the daylight. I’ll take Bryan’s description over their’s.

MMSox wrote:

EndOfTheWorld wrote:PH witnesses had him at 5-8----5-10 and around 200 lbs.--stocky.

They were upstairs, across the street and at night. Bryan was right in front of him in the daylight. I’ll take Bryan’s description over their’s.

The teenagers went downstairs and observed Z for some time while on the first floor, with Z standing next to the cab for reference. One of the teenagers even ventured into the street and followed Z a bit. When Pellisetti arrived, he was outside to tell him Z had just turned the corner shortly before.

Hartnell meanwhile was on the ground looking up at a guy with a hood. Hard to know just exactly where the top of the head ends when in such a costume, especially when looking up at him. Furthermore, Hartnell admitted he was not a good judge of height.

I'll take the 2 kids' extended viewing, at ground level, with Z next to a cab, over Bryan's bad-angle, no reference description of a guy who's head he could not actually see.

I didn’t know they went downstairs, but I’d still favor his despite not being 100% sold on it either. They were still seeing him at some distance in the dark and he was moving around and in the cab, then he walked away with a sort of shuffle/limp. All those movements would imply he wasn’t standing straight up and down for very long, if at all. Zodiac likely stood pretty still as she tied him up. He said over 6 feet initially. She might’ve said 6’0. If the same man was moving around the cab, hunching/moving in the dark at some distance could easily take off 3-4 inches. On the other hand, I don’t see how standing still in daylight could mistakenly add 3-4 inches.

After watching a perp for quite some time next to a car under streetlights, the kids all give a description of a slightly stocky but lean guy, around 5’8ish and about 30 years old with sort of mousy hair. They didn’t know he was Zodiac but it’s one hell of a coincidence that it’s pretty much exactly the same description that Mageau gave of Zodiac 4 months earlier. Kathleen Johns hasn’t been proven 100% to be a Z victim but she gave almost exactly the same description too.

Cecelia gave a height estimate of maybe 5’11” which Hartnell went along with but admitted that being about 6’7” he is a hopeless judge of height in even the best circumstances and that their attacker had a fancy dress costume on with big boots, a tall square hood, was standing uphill and they were mostly lying down.

I won’t discount any of these descriptions being a bit inaccurate but I’m not sure we can rubbish the majority and put the most trust in the one description where the attacker was heavily disguised from head to toe and uphill with no reference points. The tallest description we have is from the girls at Lake Berryessa who just saw a guy watching them who we can’t even say was Z. Two of the three witnesses estimated that guy at about 6ft but agreed he was tall, slim, dark haired and a bit of “fox”. Doesn’t exactly match up with any of the previous or latter descriptions of Z.