The 3 Girls - I Think Saw Who Attacked Bryan & Cecelia

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Re: The 3 Girls - I Think Saw Who Attacked Bryan & Cecelia

Postby UKSpycatcher » Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:30 pm

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Re: The 3 Girls - I Think Saw Who Attacked Bryan & Cecelia

Postby morf13 » Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:06 pm

UKSpycatcher wrote:Image


Pretty interesting pic
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Re: The 3 Girls - I Think Saw Who Attacked Bryan & Cecelia

Postby Paul_Averly » Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:05 pm

The one issue, is that the sketch is BW. The hair color is described as brown. So the jet black is off.
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Re: The 3 Girls - I Think Saw Who Attacked Bryan & Cecelia

Postby Tahoe27 » Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:28 pm

Looks dark brown to me! lol ;)
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Re: The 3 Girls - I Think Saw Who Attacked Bryan & Cecelia

Postby EndOfTheWorld » Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:38 pm

MM was very thin at the time so his conception of "beefy" might be influenced somewhat by what is beefy relative to his own body. In any case, 195 to 200 is not really a thick or muscular person by today's standards, but back in 1969 the obesity epidemic had not yet taken hold in the US. Anyway, I take MM's descriptions, whatever the time they were given, with a grain of salt. Also, I don't see why the Z couldn't have been wearing padding under his t shirt.
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Re: The 3 Girls - I Think Saw Who Attacked Bryan & Cecelia

Postby Norse » Fri Mar 04, 2016 5:44 pm

EndOfTheWorld wrote:Also, I don't see why the Z couldn't have been wearing padding under his t shirt.


What would be the point?

If he was worried about being identified on the basis of his body shape (a pretty far fetched idea to begin with, I'd say), he could have put a jacket on. Or two jackets. Or whatever. Wearing padding under a t-shirt strikes me as a less obvious solution.

He doesn't bother with a ski mask, or even a pair of fake glasses - but he wears padding under a t-shirt in order to fool everyone into thinking he's "not blubbery fat, but real beefy"? Seems like a huge stretch to me, but by all means, anything's possible.
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Re: The 3 Girls - I Think Saw Who Attacked Bryan & Cecelia

Postby EndOfTheWorld » Fri Mar 04, 2016 6:43 pm

On further reflection, I'll go one step further and say that you can't believe MM when he said "t shirt", either. And he was the only witness there. MM is the same guy who stated for the camera, "it was a small car, but it could have been a Cadillac---I'm not really sure."
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Re: The 3 Girls - I Think Saw Who Attacked Bryan & Cecelia

Postby EndOfTheWorld » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:20 pm

In reviewing the thread WAS THE ZODIAC REALLY A LARGE MAN I see there was one description, perhaps a little iffy or unverified, of the Z being average in ht. and wt. at PH. Supposedly Eric Zelms told his wife this before his untimely demise.
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Re: The 3 Girls - I Think Saw Who Attacked Bryan & Cecelia

Postby Norse » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:43 pm

So, let me get this straight: You start out by doubting that Michael's attacker was beefy (because Michael himself was thin). You then propose that the attacker could have worn padding under his t-shirt. And now you claim that we can't believe Michael when he says the attacker wore a t-shirt.

I know why you're so keen on Michael being wrong, of course, you've made no secret of your beliefs. But you can't make claims like these without backing them up. Why can't we believe that the attacker wore a t-shirt?
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Re: The 3 Girls - I Think Saw Who Attacked Bryan & Cecelia

Postby Norse » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:48 pm

EndOfTheWorld wrote:Supposedly Eric Zelms told his wife this before his untimely demise.


According to who?

Someone who desperately wanted Zodiac to be roughly as tall and thin as Bruce Davis? I wouldn't put much stock in what Zelms supposedly told his wife, as reported by someone else, decades after the fact.
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