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ggluckman wrote:

Welsh Chappie wrote:...
The style of the Presidio Heights attacker's hair is described as a crew cut, and if we assume the white male Don Fouke saw was the Zodiac, then Fouke described him as having a widows peak, which means a receding hair line was noticeable. The Presido Heights attackers hair isn't only described as different in it's style (crew cut) but also different in colour. Here Zodiac appears to have short blonde hair with red tint, although this could have been an effect by the street lights as Fouke acknowledges. But at Lake B, he has enough brown hair that is long enough for the fringe to freely flow down over his forehead & glasses he's wearing with the hood. Then jus two weeks later, not only is the hair a different colour, but it's now a crew cut style with receding hair line. I can understand having your hair cut and dyed to alter your appearance, but the part I have difficulty with is how can he have a widows peak with receding hair line on Oct 11...

I googled 'widow's peak' and it doesn't seem to mean a receding hairline so much as a v-shaped point:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widow's_peak

Curiously, there is some discussion of widow's peaks as a genetic trait and as being associated with some syndromes I had never heard of, although it seems there is some misinformation around the genetics topic:

http://udel.edu/~mcdonald/mythwidowspeak.html

I thought it interesting that the wikipedia article mentions some characters from popular fiction with a widow's peak: they mention Dracula, Eddie Munster and the Joker as examples. Ronald Reagan was mentioned as a real life people. He certainly did not have a receding hairline.

Tks,

G

That's what a widows peak is, a V shape hairline. That happens when the hair at the front sides of the head starts receding.

This discussion about Z's hair is part of a larger discussion of Z's use of disguises in general. I have been wondering if there would be a tie-in between the apparent changes in his hair length and his use of a very different kind of disguise: the mask at Lake Barryessa. With that in mind, I made the following (not so little) list, hoping to get a sense whether there might be motives that could suggest a tie-in between the apparent changes in Z's hair length and the use of a mask at LB.

For now I will present my list of possible motives for wearing a mask at LB, then I will leave it to steep for awhile as I mull over possible conclusions. One main conclusion is clear--when it comes to guessing Z's motive for wearing the mask, there are tons of possible reasons. Here we go:

Possible reasons (and other factors) for decision to use mask at LB:

1) Desire to emulate fictional characters (villains, etc) - as fantasy
2) Desire to emulate fictional characters (villains, etc) - as bizarre clue
3) Desire to emulate fictional characters (villains, etc) - as murder art
4) Desire to strike fear into victims
5) Sense of humor
6) To hide features: Z was somebody victims would recognize
7) To hide features: to generally prevent being able to describe it
8) To hide features: as his face had very unusual features
9) To hide features: face might not be sufficiently intimidating (could lose control)
10) To hide features: he was not very manly, perhaps effeminate
11) To hide features: that he was partly blind
12) To hide features: injuries or signs of recent medical history
13) To hide features: e.g.: Z undergoing sex change (my speculation)
13) To hide nervousness or other signs of weakness
14) Z anticipated possibility at least one victim would survive
15) Z was not confident he could gain and maintain control
16) Z was not confident he could anticipate all factors
17) Z was worried about being spotted by other witnesses
18) Utility: the mask could be used as a carrying sack during getaway
19) Mask was top layer of multi-layer disguise (wig underneath)
20) Killer was a copycat killer (admirer/wannabe)
21) Killer was a copycat killer (wanted to throw blame on Z)
22) Killer was working with Z, but was more nervous, needed mask
23) Mask was part of some form of ritual
24) Mask with reticle emblem was article of satanic cult worship
25) Mask was going to be used later as an artifact to be found

The above items are in no particular order. They are not mutually exclusive, so more than one item may be true and even overlap.

In general, I felt that this was a reasonably comprehensive list, but not exhaustive--I could probably think of more reasons. Feel free to add to the list, or suggest improvements.

Thanks,

G

Welsh Chappie wrote:... Now I know Mike didn't seem in the best of states in that interview and claims that Dee called the Guy Richard which he'd never said before, but his description of a man with jet black curly hair is fairly consistent with Bryans daylight sighting of his attackers hair being Dark Brown. The style of the Presidio Heights attacker's hair is described as a crew cut, and if we assume the white male Don Fouke saw was the Zodiac, then Fouke described him as having a widows peak, which means a receding hair line was noticeable. The Presido Heights attackers hair isn't only described as different in it's style (crew cut) but also different in colour. Here Zodiac appears to have short blonde hair with red tint, although this could have been an effect by the street lights as Fouke acknowledges. But at Lake B, he has enough brown hair that is long enough for the fringe to freely flow down over his forehead & glasses he's wearing with the hood. Then jus two weeks later, not only is the hair a different colour, but it's now a crew cut style with receding hair line. I can understand having your hair cut and dyed to alter your appearance, but the part I have difficulty with is how can he have a widows peak with receding hair line on Oct 11, and two week prior to that he has full fringe hanging down over his forehead?

I don't think Mike's statement in that Fincher DVD is worth very much.

Here is what Mike Mageau stated in 1969. THIS basically matches Foukes statement and the composite. It's LB that truly throws us for a loop--not even close to a mention of blond hair.

Tahoe27 wrote:Here is what Mike Mageau stated in 1969. THIS basically matches Foukes statement and the composite. It's LB that truly throws us for a loop--not even close to a mention of blond hair.

T., the composite is of a "beefy" guy? The description from the kids v's Fouke's also throws us for a tiny loop, no? Hence the re-draw?
Hmmm.
I have very much enjoyed the "he was partly blind" and "bald wig" speculations in this thread by the way - they certainly would never have occurred to me.
(BTW what happened to that thread which listed and discussed all the variations in the descriptions?)

smithy wrote:...
(BTW what happened to that thread which listed and discussed all the variations in the descriptions?)

Yes. Do tell.

That would be an interesting and useful list.

G

Tahoe27 wrote:

Welsh Chappie wrote:... Now I know Mike didn't seem in the best of states in that interview and claims that Dee called the Guy Richard which he'd never said before, but his description of a man with jet black curly hair is fairly consistent with Bryans daylight sighting of his attackers hair being Dark Brown. The style of the Presidio Heights attacker's hair is described as a crew cut, and if we assume the white male Don Fouke saw was the Zodiac, then Fouke described him as having a widows peak, which means a receding hair line was noticeable. The Presido Heights attackers hair isn't only described as different in it's style (crew cut) but also different in colour. Here Zodiac appears to have short blonde hair with red tint, although this could have been an effect by the street lights as Fouke acknowledges. But at Lake B, he has enough brown hair that is long enough for the fringe to freely flow down over his forehead & glasses he's wearing with the hood. Then jus two weeks later, not only is the hair a different colour, but it's now a crew cut style with receding hair line. I can understand having your hair cut and dyed to alter your appearance, but the part I have difficulty with is how can he have a widows peak with receding hair line on Oct 11, and two week prior to that he has full fringe hanging down over his forehead?

I don't think Mike's statement in that Fincher DVD is worth very much.

Here is what Mike Mageau stated in 1969. THIS basically matches Foukes statement and the composite. It's LB that truly throws us for a loop--not even close to a mention of blond hair.

One of the girls at Lake B described the mystery guy as having a 'large face & rather good looking'.

Tahoe27 wrote:

Welsh Chappie wrote:... Now I know Mike didn't seem in the best of states in that interview and claims that Dee called the Guy Richard which he'd never said before, but his description of a man with jet black curly hair is fairly consistent with Bryans daylight sighting of his attackers hair being Dark Brown. The style of the Presidio Heights attacker's hair is described as a crew cut, and if we assume the white male Don Fouke saw was the Zodiac, then Fouke described him as having a widows peak, which means a receding hair line was noticeable. The Presido Heights attackers hair isn't only described as different in it's style (crew cut) but also different in colour. Here Zodiac appears to have short blonde hair with red tint, although this could have been an effect by the street lights as Fouke acknowledges. But at Lake B, he has enough brown hair that is long enough for the fringe to freely flow down over his forehead & glasses he's wearing with the hood. Then jus two weeks later, not only is the hair a different colour, but it's now a crew cut style with receding hair line. I can understand having your hair cut and dyed to alter your appearance, but the part I have difficulty with is how can he have a widows peak with receding hair line on Oct 11, and two week prior to that he has full fringe hanging down over his forehead?

I don't think Mike's statement in that Fincher DVD is worth very much.

Here is what Mike Mageau stated in 1969. THIS basically matches Foukes statement and the composite. It's LB that truly throws us for a loop--not even close to a mention of blond hair.

I agree T and I am not oblivious to Mike seeming under the influence of something during this interview but he has said consistently from 1969 that the guy who shot him was a large guy with a round face. And I should say just for the record that I am not judging nor criticizing Mike if he is under the influence here, I don't think any of us an imagine just how it feel's to be shot repeatedly and left to die, then finding out that the girl you were with was killed in the attack and you survived. Survivors guilt is something that victims sometimes never come to terms with so I cant and won't criticise.
Despite claiming that Darlene called the shooter 'Richard' (Just after Gaikowski comes up on Mystery-Quest, conveniently) and that he had black curly hair, he also picked out Leigh Allen as the guy who shot him and Allen's name isn't Richard, nor does his head sport dark hair, curly or any other kind due to his baldness. That why I just try to stick to what he claims that seems to be consistent with a 2nd witness statement such as Zodiac being a big guy, having dark curly hair (Hartnell gave a very similar description of weight and hair of Zodiac)

I've never seen that claim there T of Mike claiming the shooters hair was light brown even blonde. Where is that excerpt you pasted from?

That is from the BRS police report, http://www.zodiackiller.com/DFR10.html

Seagull wrote:That is from the BRS police report, http://www.zodiackiller.com/DFR10.html

Thanks seagull...I should have put the link. (sorry chappie)