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Re: Tuolumne & Springs Phone Call

PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:29 pm
by morf13
For what it's worth, I also think Z lived within a pretty close proximity to that Springs & Tuolumne phonebooth. I think he likely went home, parked his car, stashed his guns, etc. Then walked to the phonebooth, I think it's possible he lived within a 1/4 mile of that phonebooth

Re: Tuolumne & Springs Phone Call

PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:34 pm
by Welsh Chappie
tracers wrote:It's about 700 yards driving from the phone booth location to 1350 Virginia St.


Thanks. That's still very close proximity.

Re: Tuolumne & Springs Phone Call

PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:37 pm
by Welsh Chappie
morf13 wrote:For what it's worth, I also think Z lived within a pretty close proximity to that Springs & Tuolumne phonebooth. I think he likely went home, parked his car, stashed his guns, etc. Then walked to the phonebooth, I think it's possible he lived within a 1/4 mile of that phonebooth


I have often wondered why Z pulled in to the car park, left and then returned several mins later. Maybe he did not have a weapon with him at first when he first pulled in behind Dee and Mike and left to return home to get it before returning to BRS to shoot the couple?

Re: Tuolumne & Springs Phone Call

PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:06 pm
by Welsh Chappie
According to the statement Mike gave at the hospital the vehicle returned for the second time approx. five minutes after it had left the first time it pulled in. Just Google mapped it for the distance between Tuol & Spgs Rd and BRS Parking lot and it's 3 and a half miles distance, travel time approx. 7 minutes by car so it would be consistent with Z returning to his home and going back to the springs if he did live around Toul & Spgs Rd area.

Re: Tuolumne & Springs Phone Call

PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:16 pm
by snooter
morf13 wrote:For what it's worth, I also think Z lived within a pretty close proximity to that Springs & Tuolumne phonebooth. I think he likely went home, parked his car, stashed his guns, etc. Then walked to the phonebooth, I think it's possible he lived within a 1/4 mile of that phonebooth


some days i thinks so as well..I also entertain the idea it was just picked by Z for whatever his convoluted mind thought it should be so....I also entertain the belief Z was a riverside native and enrolled in berkley...finally me thinks with the old navy base (mare island naval base) there Z being in the navy (access to wingwalkers) just knew the area well..i dunno morf just some thoughts i have at times..you could be right in your assessment

Re: Tuolumne & Springs Phone Call

PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:14 pm
by Welsh Chappie
morf13 wrote:For what it's worth, I also think Z lived within a pretty close proximity to that Springs & Tuolumne phonebooth. I think he likely went home, parked his car, stashed his guns, etc. Then walked to the phonebooth, I think it's possible he lived within a 1/4 mile of that phonebooth


It makes logical sense that either he lived close by, or knew someone else that did because the shooting was initially reported to LE at 12:10am by a member of the public, yet Zodiac doesn't call to announce the crime until 12:40, a full half an hour after the initial call to report it. Considering the distance from BRS to Tol & Springs is only 4 to 5 miles away and can be driven in 7 to 10 mins depending on traffic, then he'd have to have gone somewhere off the streets you'd think until he makes his phone call. I can't imagine he drove around in circles aimlessly or simply parked up on a roadside or in a parking lot for 30 mins waiting, for no real reason other than because he wanted to, to phone police.

Re: Tuolumne & Springs Phone Call

PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 3:11 pm
by Tahoe27
I know some have mentioned Zodiac sticking around SF to watch what was going on, so why not do the same in Vallejo? I do think he was very familiar with Vallejo, but question if he actually lived there at the time. Could be he just went to Denny's. :)

Re: Tuolumne & Springs Phone Call

PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:59 pm
by Welsh Chappie
Tahoe27 wrote:I know some have mentioned Zodiac sticking around SF to watch what was going on, so why not do the same in Vallejo? I do think he was very familiar with Vallejo, but question if he actually lived there at the time. Could be he just went to Denny's. :)


Yes Z stuck around the area of Pacific Heights but whether that was through his own choice, or due to being surrounded & trapped, he didn't wait for half and hour, or any amount of time for that matter, to then make a phone call bragging.

Why would Zodiac, if hanging around near to Blue Rock crime scene for 20/25 minutes after he actually shoots Dee & Mike, then go and make the call at Tol & Spgs Rd? If he was there or close enough to see the Parking Lot at BRS then he'd already know that Cops had already responded to the scene and thus, pointless and not necessary to call and give specific directions.

Although then again, having said that, I'm sure Nancy said that when she took the call from Z and he said "I want to report a double murder. If you'll go one mile East on Columbus Parkway to the public park, you'll find kids in a brown car..." and Nancy said she interrupted him, or attempted to at this point by replying "Yes, Sir, we already have reports of a shooting in that area, can I get your name and where your at?" At that point the caller ignored her request and continued by telling her "They were shot with a 9mm Luger..."


So Nancy told

Re: Tuolumne & Springs Phone Call

PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 12:31 pm
by onewhoknows
This phone call is Zodiac's first confession. Catholics give confession. The Zodiac Killer would know then how long to stay on the
phone before it could be traced. The operator said it sounded like he had rehearsed his speech, not allowing her to interrupt. I wonder
if he timed himself at home. None the less, it is his first confession. Unless you believe he also killed Cheri Jo Bates...

Re: Tuolumne & Springs Phone Call

PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:18 pm
by Welsh Chappie
onewhoknows wrote:This phone call is Zodiac's first confession. Catholics give confession. The Zodiac Killer would know then how long to stay on the
phone before it could be traced. The operator said it sounded like he had rehearsed his speech, not allowing her to interrupt. I wonder
if he timed himself at home. None the less, it is his first confession. Unless you believe he also killed Cheri Jo Bates...


Confession is the wrong term. One may confess to a crime either because he is suspected and being questioned about it, or out of remorse and guilt. The caller never actually identified himself over the phone with his trademark opening line "This is the Zodiac Speaking" as he does in the majority of letter he writes to take credit for the crimes. He's calling police to simply brag about his latest work and direct them to the location.