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BuckwheatFlowers wrote:

Welsh Chappie wrote:
Well the dealer may have been infuriated by Darlene having bought Mageau along, that maybe why he first pulled in, observed Darlene for a short time, before leaving. Maybe he was trying to see who the second person in her vehicle was, and when he didn't recognize him, sped away in absolute anger. Dealers don't like to do deals when there are people present they do not know.
Or maybe it wasn't drugs. Maybe, as the rumours have long persisted, Darlene had reason to fear a certain man because she knew something she shouldn't and maybe that night she had had enough and arranged to meet this man to threaten that if he didn't back off then she'd go to the law with what she knows, and this accounts for Mageau's presence that night, hoping it would deter any violence or harm directed at her. This could be what Darlene said was important and needed to talk to Mike about?

Then there were the strange phone calls to Dee's home shortly after the murder. I can't accept that these calls were simply coincidence and were noting to do with Dee's murder, but that is only my opinion. If it were the killer calling, how would he know Darlene's home number? Even to look her number up in a phone book he'd need to know her name first.

Unless someone convinces me that they were buying/selling pounds of weed out there (which rarely goes on at a park frequented by teenagers and cops), I'm just not going to buy the whole drug dealer shot their customer over a dime bag of weed. I'm not saying it's impossible, of course, but I'm not buying.

If Darlene decided to go confront some crazy dude in a secluded area with the one of the smallest persons she could find (Mike), then she wasn't very smart.

Here's another thing. I'm not convinced that there were any mysterious phone calls to Darlene's home. Not in the police report. Dean's parents are in the police report as having received calls, but not Darlene's family or home. I also don't really have any reason to believe the whole "saw something she shouldn't have". I don't know if I should say this or not, but it seems someone in that family has an active imagination. Just my opinion, and not meant to ruffle feathers.

I'm not saying any of the above is something likely to be true, nor am I saying I myself believe Darlene went there to confront someone for example. What I am saying is, until Zodiac's name is known, we will never be able to say for sure either way whether Darlene knew her killer, or arranged to meet him, or it was just a matter of Darlene simply being a 'wrong place at wrong time' random victim.

And I was not suggesting that a drug dealer blasted Mike and Dee to pieces over a spliff, nor do I think they went there looking buy a large amount. Again, lets assume for the purpose of this scenario that we do know that Darlene arranged to meet someone out there, we still wouldn't be any wiser as to why it happened. However, based on what we do know, there are reasons to suggests that Zodiac may not have happened upon Dee and mike by random chance out at BRS.

- The first Male victim of the spree was David Faraday, who was alleged to have threatened a male that if he didn't leave Betty Lou alone, he'd give Law Enforcement details of a large drug deal that he knew this other male was involved in. The very night David was executed, and along the very road he was parked, a drug bust was in actually in the process of being carried out

-After the Lake Herman incident, where both victims are killed, the murderer does not call his crime in to LE, he does not contact the Chronicle, nor does he give us any indication as to who he is. Then, after he commits his next attack at BRS, in which a victim survives, do we see the emergence of 'Zodiac', the random psychopathic serial killer who craves attention so badly he will kill for it.

Then, 4 Months later, this man who appears absolutely obsessed with publicity and having the entire City know who he is and exactly what he's responsible for doing, decides that he "shall no longer announce to anyone when I commit my murders" which is either him going from an absolute desire, need and compulsion to tell the State of California what murders he had committed and demended he be published in the Chronicle or else, to then doing a complete U-turn and appearing to not be interested in publicity anymore and in fact, no longer wants it known which murders are committed by him. It's either that he really did just decide to give up the very thing that many people said was Zodiac's motive for the crime, the publicity, or, he seemed able to walk away from the spotlight because he never really desired that in the first place but simply needed to appear as if this was what he enjoyed.

Again, just theories that I myself am not promoting as something I myself believe, but the fact is, unless we have Zodiac's name and/or a confession by him somewhere detailing the why, the when, the how etc, we won't ever know if Zodiac's persona was created as a diversion so that it would appear the murders were the work of a killer who's victims are selected at random, of whether Zodiac was just what he appeared at face value to be, a nut case running round killing at random.

I mean personally, I don't really understand why a lot of people are so against the idea that Zodiac wasn't a mad man randomly killing whoever he came across. People often point out "There is no evidence Zodiac knew any of his victims" which means nothing because I could say the same of the reverse... "There is no conclusive evidence to suggest that Zodiac's victims were totally random". They may seem to us to appear random, but appearances can be deceptive. It's the oldest trick in the magicians arsenal: Misdirection. Direct the audience attention to your right hand, while the real trick is performed in the Left, but nobody see's it because as humans we can easily be manipulated without even being aware of it.

And I agree with you that I don't believe, nor have I suggested, that the couple were shot at BRS over a $20 deal of weed. The drugs may have been the original reason for the two parties to meet, but any number of things could then have been responsible for the 'Zodiac' to open fire. Maybe the plan all along was to get Darlene out at BRS park, to lure her to her death on some false premise. That maybe the reason that when the man first pulled in he hesitated after seeing a second shape in the passenger seat and sat there wondering what to do now that Dee wasn't alone, and sped away and decided to abandon the plan. Then, after a short drive, may have resolved that the two of them will just have to die and turned around and headed back toward BRS.
Darlene did say that something would happen that night and it would make the papers the next day, what did she mean by that?

This is the "Darlene's address book" thread, PLEASE stay on topic.

Sorry, TF.

Apologies. Buck, if you want to continue a discussion about the issues we were starting to here, we can go here: viewtopic.php?f=28&t=423

Jan Eisen from 903 Ashbury Street and Eunice Nolan from Albany..both have intersting addresses imo...do we know more about them?
http://www.zodiackiller.com/DeeBook6.html

Another Albany entry: Joe Mahar
http://www.zodiackiller.com/DeeBook12.html

Interesting also her Kaiser hospital entry in it
http://www.zodiackiller.com/DeeBook11.html

She also had ties to Redding:
http://www.zodiackiller.com/DeeBook14.html

Some AFB guy:
http://www.zodiackiller.com/DeeBook15.html


QT

Quicktrader wrote:Jan Eisen from 903 Ashbury Street and Eunice Nolan from Albany..both have intersting addresses imo...do we know more about them?
http://www.zodiackiller.com/DeeBook6.html

Another Albany entry: Joe Mahar
http://www.zodiackiller.com/DeeBook12.html

Interesting also her Kaiser hospital entry in it
http://www.zodiackiller.com/DeeBook11.html

She also had ties to Redding:
http://www.zodiackiller.com/DeeBook14.html

Some AFB guy:
http://www.zodiackiller.com/DeeBook15.html


QT

Joseph Mahar was the only one I ever found anything on. In the 1950's, while he was in the Navy, he was stationed in the SF Bay area, and one night, robbed a bar at gun point. He was arrested, and presumably, did time and was kicked out of the service. During this time,Darlene likely would have been too young to know him, or associate with him I think. I am not sure how or when she met him, or why he was important enough to be in her book. I think if I recall correctly, he died in 1999,or 92? He was a licensed amateur radio operator, and I think his Family may have owned, or at least worked at, an Albany Newspaper.

From the 4/6/56 San Mateo Times-





This next article mentions a guy same last name with connections to Albany that was involved in newspaper business, may be a relative-


In the 1959 Albany city Directory, there is a JOSEPH J. MAHAR listed at r33 Mass Ave, and is listed as an Industrial Arts Teacher at Albany High School, could be this guy's Dad? I should point out, there are alot of MAHARS in Albany NY, but the Joseph J. Mahars are likely father & son.
There is a Joseph Mahar in the same directory, that worked for a used car place, and then another Joseph J. Mahar that was an electrician apprentice

On this link- http://hamcall.net/call/WA2VGA%3A1969 there is mention of WA2VGA his radio Ham Call ID, the 1969 is that year, so at the time of the z murders, this guys was into ham radio, I just dont know if he was in CA to make him a viable z suspect. That call signal is even on his grave:


EDIT: Well,without a doubt, this guy is 100% the guy in Darlene's book, and given all of our recent ham radio discussions possibly relating to Zodiac, if this guy could be placed in CA during Z murders, would be of major interest-


And check this out- http://hamcall.net/cryp.html
On the same site as his call sign info-
"The use of secret communications by means of coded messages has been a practice throughout ancient and modern history. In recent wars, messages were sent in alphabet cipher to ensure that the messages would not be read if they fell into enemy hands. This type of cipher is still used today. Codes and ciphers were used by generals, kings and even presidents to plan battles and to transmit important information. George Washington established a spy system to report on the British forces and their movements. To send such important information, each spy had a code book that contained code numbers, each number representing a specific word. A written coded message consisting of a series of numbers would be used to transmit the secret intelligence gathered.
For many, the ideas of cryptography and cryptoanalysis have been fascinating areas for study and recreation. The whole point of cryptography is to solve problems. The type of problems that cryptography solves revolve around secrecy, security and privacy. The Advanced Military Crytography Book presents various basic cryptographic principles and the fundamentals of secret communication by describing and illustrating the traditional cryptographic techniques designed before the computer age. Computer programmers will enjoy these algorithms and methods"

I never realized I guess, the relation of Cryptography to the actual Ham radio stuff

EDIT: Oh my God, tell me this is not the same Joseph Mahar, I found this in the 1968 SF Directory at http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sanfrancisco ... 68_673.pdf



No where close to Washington & Cherry,but if he is the same Joseph Mahar, and is in SF in 1968, thats gotta be something important

EDIT: Just verified here- http://www.sfgenealogy.com/sanfrancisco ... 8_1148.pdf that the Joseph Mahar listed in SF 1968 directory is a JOSEPH A. MAHAR, not same guy in Darlene's book...DAMN

The name is Jay Eisen in the address book, not Jan.

Darlene had a OLIVIA HALIOTIES in her address book(she had last name spelled wrong). For what it's worth, there was a Michael Halioties in the 69 Vallejo directory,he was a CABBIE. Even more interesting, the Olivia in her address book worked as a CITY POLICE DISPATCHER.

EDIT:In the directory,
Michael Haliotes is 1305 1/2 Colusa St & Olivia Halioties is at 638 Main St. Notice their last names ARE spelled differently, so maybe they are not related

Has anyone ever identified the guy named Jerry King, 1250 Eddy St., SF in Darlene's a b? I know she knew a lot of cops. Was Jerry a cop? I found a publication that was dated 1993, and it showed a list of SF cops that were being layed off. There was a Jerry King listed. What caught my eye is that in the same publication, it listed a murder at 1250 Eddy St.
Here's a link to the publication, search for Jerry and Eddy St.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... aatfZaThOA