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Posted: **Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:03 pm**

morf13 wrote:"assuming the tenant was 'Lawrence Kane' (as we know him best)"

Thats a very large assumption

Yes but Morph you don't quote the context in which I was saying that. I was replying to the claim that the two names were different, but may well have been the same person, and the reason for this was offered to be a neighbour giving someone incorrect details of a tenant living a few doors down. I was saying that if we are then to assume the L Cane & L Cave were the same person, then the more likely reason for the two names being similar but differing slightly would be that Kane was simply renting using two of his aliases. I by no means said "Well because one tenant is Cane, then the next Cave, this automatically means that Larry Kane is the occupant and is using aliases." I was merely making comment on a given scenario that the man probably was the same person, and the reason for his name being Cane then Cave was due to a neighbours error, I was saying that in that hypothetical scenario it would be just as likely, if not more likely, that it was Kane residing there and his using two Aliases was just as likely to be the reason for the slight name change.

Posted: **Mon Jul 22, 2013 1:06 pm**

If, on the other hand, it can be shown that back then it was commonplace to misspell a tenants name and there was almost one incorrectly named tenant in every apartment block, then I will gladly take back my comment.

Posted: **Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:23 pm**

duckking2001 wrote:
Welsh Chappie wrote:
In my opinion, assuming the tenant was 'Lawrence Kane' (as we know him best) then the most likey explanation, based on what we know of him and his use of different names and dob's etc,

Sea's Larry Cave died in '75 San Mateo. Is this the same as Larry Kane? If so, then that's a good match.

The Larry Kane/Cane that was the Zodiac suspect died in Nevada May 20, 2010. He was also known to use the name Klein, which I believe was his mother's maiden name. He was never known to use the last name of Cave. And he probably couldn't have died twice! The Laurence Cave at the Eddy St. address was born in 1899, which is about a 25 year age difference from what we know of Larry Kane/Cane.

Posted: **Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:55 pm**

What I find disturbing is the fact that pages for 10 letters in that Phonebook is MISSING!!!

This pages for this letters are missing:

B,I,L,N,Q,T,U,V,X,Y

WHY are they missing?

Posted: **Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:08 pm**

Seagull wrote:
duckking2001 wrote:
Welsh Chappie wrote:
In my opinion, assuming the tenant was 'Lawrence Kane' (as we know him best) then the most likey explanation, based on what we know of him and his use of different names and dob's etc,

Sea's Larry Cave died in '75 San Mateo. Is this the same as Larry Kane? If so, then that's a good match.

The Larry Kane/Cane that was the Zodiac suspect died in Nevada May 20, 2010. He was also known to use the name Klein, which I believe was his mother's maiden name. He was never known to use the last name of Cave. And he probably couldn't have died twice! The Laurence Cave at the Eddy St. address was born in 1899, which is about a 25 year age difference from what we know of Larry Kane/Cane.

Your misunderstanding the context of the comment!! The context in which I stated that comment was in direct reference to the question of the name being incorrectly spelled in its listing by a neighbour who gave it incorrectly and I said that assuming (Assuming! Not claiming or stating anything as factual) that the Cave and Cane were the same tenant as the commenter had suggested in his/her reply, then I would think it more likely that Kane was the occupant using two aliases of Cave and Cane, given the alternative notion put forward to explain the name discrepancies. In short, I was stating that if, as the commenter suggested was the case and Cave & Cane were the same man and it came down to 'neighbour gave the census people the wrong name of a bloke down the hall in an apartment, and it was realized later and changed from Cane to Cave, I would say there was more chance it was Kane using an Alias than that first explination being the correct one because census employees don't knock Appt. 198 and ask the occupant to please provide the name, DOB, SS No etc of the man in Appt. 192. It was hypothetical and I though that was obvious

Posted: **Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:14 pm**

That is why I said straight after the initial comment...

"If, on the other hand, it can be shown that back then it was commonplace to misspell a tenants name and there was almost one incorrectly named tenant in every apartment block, then I will gladly take back my comment."

In other words, if the wrong name often shows up on tenancies, then I would say that of the two options (albeit hypothetical ones) I would say this one is more likely to have been the reason. I was simply using this option above to say I though there is more likelihood that Kane himself lived there than the census people given dud info by another tenant of the block. I am sorry Seagull if you took me to literally be saying "KANE LIVED THERE END OF CASE CLOSED", I though it was rather obvious I was speaking hypothetically.

Posted: **Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:24 pm**

Seagull wrote:The Polk's Directories were not official in the sense that they were generated by the government. They were meant for private enterprise, for businesses to use. The books were sold only to those who were in some sort business and not available to private citizens. They were a marketing tool. Mailing lists were created from them for instance. They did not have anything to do with census taking which is done by the government once every 10 years and not released to the public for 70 years after being taken.

Usually the Polk's were published once a year but not always as evidenced by the fact that San Francisco's 1969-1970 issue was the two years combined. The point was to establish the actual addresses of residences and businesses. Polk's was not primarily concerned with the name of the person living at a particular address but that a particular address actually existed. So, yes, a neighbor would be asked about people living in close proximity to them.

It could be that Laurence Cave was not home in1966 and a neighbor gave the information as near as they knew it to the canvasser but in the subsequent year Mr. Cave was home and gave the corrected information.

I hope that helps.

There was a person listed in official records as being in the Bay Area named Laurence V Cave, he died in 1975 in San Mateo. He is also listed in various censuses first in Iowa where he was born and later in Santa Barbara County CA where he worked in a hotel.

WC did you read this post I made on the previous page???

The Polk's Directories were for commercial purposes and have nothing to do with the census. They did not really care if a person's name was correct as much as they cared that there was a legitimate address that could be marketed to.

Posted: **Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:06 pm**

Yes Seagull, you said...

"Considering that Laurence Cave lived in that particular apartment the three years following 1966 and it is a very similar name to LC Cane I would tend to think that a neighbor gave the info to the canvasser but I can't be absolutely sure of that."

So when they canvas an Appt. Block with, lets say 47 Tenants, is it standard practise to knock each and every flat door to get the occupants name, and then ask the tenant residing next door for the neighbours name if he isn't in at the time? I am not asking this sarcastically, I am not American so genuinely don't know. But I would have though that they would have just gone straight to the Appt. Complex Owner/Landlord if the required a list of resident names.

Posted: **Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:45 pm**

Yes, it would be a standard practice to ask a neighbor if a tenant was not home. I realize that you are not American so I am honestly trying to let you know what was done. I remember living at home with my folks and the canvassers coming by wanting the information about who lived at our house. They did ask about neighbors who were not at home, too. We lived in a house not an apartment building though.

Posted: **Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:09 pm**

Seagull wrote:Yes, it would be a standard practice to ask a neighbor if a tenant was not home. I realize that you are not American so I am honestly trying to let you know what was done. I remember living at home with my folks and the canvassers coming by wanting the information about who lived at our house. They did ask about neighbors who were not at home, too. We lived in a house not an apartment building though.

Ok that is a fair point and I have no argument against it. I just didn't think that kind of data gathering would take place as it doesn't over here. I suppose that's the error I made, assuming the US has similar ways of doing things to the UK. Over here I just never have known that to happen. A person wouldn't give his neighbours info to some stranger on the door step who has a card he claims is ID, but I think more so, if a neighbour gave my details to a man who knocked his door and asked him for them claiming I was out, and my neighbour supplied him with my Name, DOB, Status, Employment Detail etc, I would go nuts with that neighbour lol.

Anyway Seagull, the context in which I said Kane was the more likely reason for the name change/discrepancy, was not meant as a literal statement, but rather I was saying it in the context of that being more likely the reason for the name difference than the theory of a neighbour being responsible for giving slightly incorrect details. But, now you have told me that it isn't uncommon for that to occur, I will happily concede that I was wrong in my assumption. But I just want to emphasize the point that I was speaking hypothetically, and was saying in effect "I think there's more chance Kane would be the reason for the name discrepancy than there would be for some erroneous neighbour." And I do appreciate you letting me know that it is common in the US Seagull all the same :-)

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