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Janie1859, what was the nature of Michael and Darlenes' relationship? and why are you confident it was not romantic in nature? thanks

AK Wilks wrote:I think it was only decades later that Mike said anything about her flashing headlights. And they did not have enough money on them to buy drugs.

In the original Police Report there is a reference to flashing of the lights, but Mike seems to suggest he did it as the report states the following:

"When questioned about Dea's vehicle having the headlights on when the police arrived, Michael was unable to explain fully, however he recall's possibly flashing the headlights on and off to attract attention of passing vehicles."

That doesn't make sense and is practically impossible as Mike leapt in the rear seats as he was being shot and states that he opened the door and fell out onto the concrete as the suspect was leaving because he saw him drive away.

I guess the disturbing thing is, that up to this point in time, it appears someone has killed two young beautiful females from Vallejo.
It begins to create an absolute MO, a local guy who might have known both of these girls romantically. That quite narrows the field.
And since Mike has survived, he has given a physical description of the Killer and a description of his car. Zodiac at home, now goes in to a little panic.
They might find out who he is. He must create a persona, to deflect from the obvious. This may have originally been the work of a love interest of both girls.

From a neutral profiler's view we could equally surmise that Z was bi-sexual or gay and stalked the males rather than the females. After all, the only solo person we can prove that Z murdered was Paul Stine and he even ripped off some of his clothing to keep - he didn't take off a girl's top or earrings, etc.

The other victims were attacked in pairs and he attempted to murder the males as much as he attempted to kill the females.

On the face of it, it looks like jealousy killings. I guess it could be a gay guy jealous over his boyfriends, I have never heard of such a murder.
Initially Zodiac has attacked couples, so you are astute to recognize that, and that is an issue that goes back to Zodiac's own parents. And yes
the killings have to do with sexual frustration, childhood sexual abuse by his own mother, and an alcoholic father that did not protect him.
There were also homosexual acts and desires that caused the Zodiac to kill men. Of course this is just my opinion, based on my own observations.

I've heard speculation about Z being homosexual or bisexual before, but I'm not sure how much weight I'd give it. I tend to side with the more traditional belief that Z was someone who was sexually frustrated because he had very little success with women (if you're of the opinion that Bates was truly a Z victim, then the tone of the letter sent to the Riverside PD seems to support this).

Stine's murder is certainly the wildcard that breaks the pattern, but it's explainable if Z is viewed as a control freak -- which I believe he was. It's my belief that he was likely a socially awkward individual and the murders, along with taunting the police and terrifying everyone in the area, gave him a sense of empowerment that he wasn't sure how to feel any other way. He followed his own press, responding very quickly to Stiltz's request for him to prove himself, and was adamant about providing information that proved he was the killer. This type of narcissism is often what gets individuals caught, as they tend to reveal details about their crimes to others in an effort to demonstrate their superior intelligence.

Until Stine, Z seemed to be murdering in an obvious pattern: young couples in remote areas. While people in the area were still fearful, the fear may have been subsiding if they thought all they needed to do was stay away from that particular situation. I believe that’s where the Stine murder came in, along with the threats of utilizing bombs or shooting school children. Instilling fear seems like the most plausible scenario here given the pattern of behavior Z exhibited.

While it’s certainly possible, I just haven’t seen enough evidence to be convinced of any homosexual tendencies.

up2something wrote:

Janie1859 wrote:I just don't understand why Dee would make conflicting plan with people.

No offense, but the one saying she made conflicting plans is you. Again, is it the waitress that is your relative? Are you saying Darlene specifically asked her to go to a painting party? On July 4th?

Dee and the waitress worked the same shift at Terry's Waffle Shop (not the Barrel Club Terrys, but the Terry's located on Magazine Street, across the freeway from Kentwig Bowl). If the waitress was working on 4th of July, it would have meant Dee requested July 4th off. IMO, she would have taken the day off to see her sister win runner up for Miss Firecracker not to go to SF with Mageau.
I was told Dee and the waitress both were attractive inasmuch they had a lot of admires--a combination of law enforcers and students from the California Maritime Academy (CMA), as the Academy was down the street from Terry's Waffle Shop. I was told Mageau was a goof ball--probably not someone Dee would date. I could be wrong.

Janie1859 wrote:

up2something wrote:

Janie1859 wrote:I just don't understand why Dee would make conflicting plan with people.

No offense, but the one saying she made conflicting plans is you. Again, is it the waitress that is your relative? Are you saying Darlene specifically asked her to go to a painting party? On July 4th?

Dee and the waitress worked the same shift at Terry's Waffle Shop (not the Barrel Club Terrys, but the Terry's located on Magazine Street, across the freeway from Kentwig Bowl). If the waitress was working on 4th of July, it would have meant Dee requested July 4th off. IMO, she would have taken the day off to see her sister win runner up for Miss Firecracker not to go to SF with Mageau.
I was told Dee and the waitress both were attractive inasmuch they had a lot of admires--a combination of law enforcers and students from the California Maritime Academy (CMA), as the Academy was down the street from Terry's Waffle Shop. I was told Mageau was a goof ball--probably not someone Dee would date. I could be wrong.

Interesting, Thank you Janie1859. Also, please check your messages.
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tracers wrote:Janie1859, what was the nature of Michael and Darlenes' relationship? and why are you confident it was not romantic in nature? thanks

Mageau was probably just the "Weed" boy.

AK Wilks wrote:I think it was only decades later that Mike said anything about her flashing headlights. And they did not have enough money on them to buy drugs.

Well if they didn't have money to buy Weed then they how were they going to buy fireworks late in the night? And tell me what store in the suburbs of Vallejo in 1969 would be open late at night.