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Nacht, could be. Not quite as exciting though, that. Not what I'd have thought of as "something big was going to happen" - if that's a decent quote.
But then I've never been Miss Firecracker.
Say, who was the "Miss Firecracker" contestant anyway? Twasn't Darlene was it?

Nope..it wasn't Darlene...it was Christina, her little sis.

Chappie--I'm not totally against "theories", I've been known to throw out some doosies. It's when they are thrown at as fact.

I don't know how Mike would have been involved except maybe that it was him who knew the person who attacked them IF for drugs, etc. Pam, Darlene's sister seemed to think Mike knew more than he let on...and Mike in the Fincher Documentary DVD seemed to think it was his fault, but that interview is practically worthless.

I too think "fireworks" meant something else. I wonder how the Sheriff's Dept. (2 lots down from the Ferrin home) would have felt about fireworks in the streets back then? Probably would have been ok I suppose...was late though.

Tahoe27 wrote:Nope..it wasn't Darlene...it was Christina, her little sis.

Chappie--I'm not totally against "theories", I've been known to throw out some doosies. It's when they are thrown at as fact.

I don't know how Mike would have been involved except maybe that it was him who knew the person who attacked them IF for drugs, etc. Pam, Darlene's sister seemed to think Mike knew more than he let on...and Mike in the Fincher Documentary DVD seemed to think it was his fault, but that interview is practically worthless.

I too think "fireworks" meant something else. I wonder how the Sheriff's Dept. (2 lots down from the Ferrin home) would have felt about fireworks in the streets back then? Probably would have been ok I suppose...was late though.

Well if Mike, or any of the surviving victim's knew the attacker and he was involved in drugs then I can't see him being some street dealer level type. Mageau seemed genuinely terrified and could not wait to flee the hospital and go into hiding. Why did he feel unsafe at the hospital and obviously must have had reason to believe that the shooter could just walk into his hospital if he wished. Maybe he did pay Mageau a 'get well soon' visit in which he informed Mike that if he opens his mouth, he won't be so lucky next time? Mike tried to flee on at least one previous occasion to his actual successful departure because he was caught trying to leave by, was it a nurse or LE? One or the other.
If Mageau knew his attacker then he must have decided this man can easiiy get through Hospital and Police guard and he was not safe there. Was his attacker a cop himself?

Another theory:

Just what if the Zodiac Killer was created to cover up illegal activities involving the local police in Vallejo and some of Dee's associates. Now is it really believable Dee and Mike went out at 11:00 on the 4th of July to buy fireworks? Who sales fireworks that late? By that time of the night the festivities are over.

Now lets discuss the guest attendees at the "paint party. It is my experience most police officers know the town drug dealers and users. So, why would police officers be attendees at a paint party unless they were also some what involved with illegal drug activity. I'm puzzled.

Janie1859 wrote:Another theory:
Just what if the Zodiac Killer was created to cover up illegal activities involving the local police in Vallejo and some of Dee's associates.

What? "Created"? Not sure what you mean. If you expand on that, this thread will indeed contain a theory.

That "painting party" - I don't think there's any genuine evidence anywhere that it took place, is there?
(It's a bit like "who might have been on the Grassy Knoll." A wonderful catch-all piece of bs.)

Janie1859 wrote:Another theory:

Just what if the Zodiac Killer was created to cover up illegal activities involving the local police in Vallejo and some of Dee's associates. Now is it really believable Dee and Mike went out at 11:00 on the 4th of July to buy fireworks? Who sales fireworks that late? By that time of the night the festivities are over.

Now lets discuss the guest attendees at the "paint party. It is my experience most police officers know the town drug dealers and users. So, why would police officers be attendees at a paint party unless they were also some what involved with illegal drug activity. I'm puzzled.

I am under the impression that Darlene and Mike went to that location to "make out".

I have yet to see hard evidence that Darlene was a drug dealer, into the occult, into criminal activity, etc. A lot of rumors and hearsay and unsourced statements. By this time in 1969 up to 1/3 of all young adults used or had tried marijuana. I have seen nothing to show me that any of the Zodiac victims were involved in any significant criminal or drug activity.

Also when criminals kill drug rivals or informants, I have yet to see a case where they create a high publicity serial killer. That would have the effect of drawing more public and police attention to the crime.

I lived in the East Bay Area for twenty five-years. I have met drug dealers and members of the Hell's Angels, both the Oakland Chapter and
the San Pablo Chapter. Dee and Mike are hardly drug dealers. Each couple the Zodiac attacked were doing the same thing, messing around.
Zodiac has morals, after all...

onewhoknows wrote:I lived in the East Bay Area for twenty five-years. I have met drug dealers and members of the Hell's Angels, both the Oakland Chapter and
the San Pablo Chapter. Dee and Mike are hardly drug dealers. Each couple the Zodiac attacked were doing the same thing, messing around.
Zodiac has morals, after all...

I don't think anyone was suggesting that Dee and/or Mike were drug dealers, but may have been recreational users and that's what I mean when I've made reference in the past to Dee & Mike being out at the Spring waiting to score. I wouldn't even consider this possibility if there was absolutely nothing to suggest they were not at BRS at random that night because the fact is, Mike said that Dee was flashing her headlights on and off and he claims he doesn't know why. If she did so this, then she surely must be signalling someone that she is now there? That is quite a sensible thing to do now I think of it if. It would make sense, if she'd arranged to meet Citizen X out at the parking lot of BRS, that Dee may have suggested to him on the phone "You'll know when it's me as I will flash my headlights to let you know.

There's also the rather coincidental timing of the Lake Herman Murders that just happen to occur literally minutes after Police have left the area having carried out a drug raid on a cottage out there. In fact Pierre Bidou states that just as they were pulling into the station's car park to book the evidence (Cannabis) in that he heard the Benicia PD radio Dispatcher say over the radio that there had been a possible shooting out on Lake Herman Rd with two possible victims.

I think it was only decades later that Mike said anything about her flashing headlights. And they did not have enough money on them to buy drugs.

The police reports have Mike saying she may have been flashing her headlights after the shooting to get someone's attention.