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Yes Zodiac did speak when phoning police to announce his crimes, but again, if it were Zodiac who called Dean, should we expect him to speak if he and Dean are acquainted? If Zodiac were the caller, then the question isn't so much "How did he get Dean or Dean's parents Phone Numbers but rather, how did he know who they were to get their numbers anyway if Darlene was a random victim of a random killer not known to her?

I wasn't trying to imply you were ridiculous T, you know I wouldn't do that because I've had so many occasions where we've discussed many different things and your opinions and logic are something I always respect. I just think that this specific example used in this case as an alternative to the most logical isn't reasonable. I do apologise if it sounded I was being disrespectful to you personally, that was never my intension.

I think it is indeed interesting that Darlene's Family received heavy breathing calls the night of her murder. Discussion was presented that the caller was a Family memebr of hers trying to track her down,and score weed, and didnt want to have the people get mad when they answered the phone late at night. To me, thats a flimsy scenario. I want to track down Darlene, so I will call her Family(knowing she doesnt live where I am calling),late at night when everybody's asleep. Doesnt sit well with me.

Next possibility, if Darlene's killer (Z) was the caller(which will be hard to prove without his ID being known), it would be obvious that he was somebody that knew her. Either way, I find it odd that her Family is getting prank calls the night of her murder, before they even knew she was dead. Also of interest, her last name was not the same as her parents since she was married, so so much for looking them up in the phonebook.

Regarding the possibility of Z making any sort of heavy breathing calls.....I know of an Alameda County 1967 Lover's lane murder, in which a couple was murdered, shot with no motive. In the days leading up to their murders, the Family would get phone calls from a heavy breather, and they most always came between 10 & 11am. These calls actually continued AFTER their murders:
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I am surprised that there is not more interest in the above mentioned case, it's right up Zodiac's alley, murdered couple, lover's lane, SF Bay area, no motive, small caliber .22 used.

And in mentioning their case, and their heavy breathing calls, they always came 10-11, do you remember Graysmith getting heavy breathing calls as mentioned in his book?? They always came at about 10:30 am, the same as the above Victim.

Maybe the heavy breathing calls are a coincidence,but maybe not

Could just be a pervert calling.

pittsburgh_phil wrote:Could just be a pervert calling.

To multiple Family members with multipl phone numbers? Doubt it

Darlene had many admirers. It's not inconceivable that one of them may have been a mouth-breathing pervert.

I still think that Leo made the calls, here.

Nachtsider wrote:Darlene had many admirers. It's not inconceivable that one of them may have been a mouth-breathing pervert.

I still think that Leo made the calls, here.

It would be interesting to know if Darlene had made any plans to stop by the Ferrin's (Dean's parents) that evening. It seems odd Leo would call there looking for Darlene...unless he thought she would be there for some reason. I wonder what Leo said, if anything, about why he would call their house looking for her?

I have to agree with you Morf that the 'Leo did it' scenario makes no sense. And again, if it were a pervert or an admirer of Darlene's then the timing would have been a huge coincidence. If Darlene had had a history of callers making such calls to her and Dean, then fair enough, but that doesn't seem to be the case because Dean and Dean's Parents felt that the calls on 5th July were significant enough to go to the police with. If they had been receiving similar calls for weeks or months prior to Darlene's death then while that would still be something of interest, the calls that night could be explained away a coincidence. I am sure if these calls had been happening for a time prior to Dee's death, then Dean would have said so when going to police to tell them about this latest breather. And I can't imagine Dean's parents were the target of persistent heavy breather calls or they also would have said something. The timing is just too coincidental IMO.

Welsh Chappie wrote:I have to agree with you Morf that the 'Leo did it' scenario makes no sense. And again, if it were a pervert or an admirer of Darlene's then the timing would have been a huge coincidence. If Darlene had had a history of callers making such calls to her and Dean, then fair enough, but that doesn't seem to be the case because Dean and Dean Parents felt that the calls on July were significant enough to go to the police with. If they had been receiving similar calls for weeks or months prior to Darlene's death then while that would still be something of interest, the calls that night could be explained away a coincidence. I am sure if these calls had been happening for a time prior to Dee's death, then Dean would have said so when going to police to tell them about this latest breather. And I can't imagine Dean's parents were the target of persistent heavy breather calls or they also would have said something. The timing is just too coincidental IMO.

I personally agree with your points here Welsh. I need to score some drugs, so late at night,let me call all of the places Darlene might be, and piss off all the Families that are sleeping. Then they breathed for a few moments, and didnt hang up immediately. Doesnt make sense to me, and I think it's entirely possible that Z made the calls,HOWEVER, there is no proof of this. If there was proof, it would be a big clue possibly to Zodiac's ID, because it would prove that Zodiac knew her more than just recognizing her, he would have to know her maidn name and Family, in order to call them.

Back in 2008, at this link- http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/topic/3 ... EW-DARLENE
Tom V wrote:
"Darlene Ferrin was born Darlene Suennen. She lived most of her life with her parents at 130 Jordan Street in Vallejo, Calif.
In January 1966, Darlene married Jim Crabtree. They quickly divorced, and Darlene then married Dean Ferrin. She stayed Darlene Ferrin until her death just after midnight on July 5, 1969.
As the story goes, around the time of Zodiac's phone call to Nancy Slover, Darlene's parents on Jordan Street received anonymous calls that troubled them enough to mention to the police. If it was really the Zodiac who was responsible for those calls, how did he know the last name of Darlene's parents?
Here's the really spooky part: The Suennens weren't listed in the phone book. Not in 1968, 1969 or 1970.
Here's my hypothesis: Zodiac knew Darlene prior to her first marriage, back when she was Darlene Suennen and living with her parents. And he knew her well enough to have reason to memorize or otherwise keep the Jordan Street phone number.
Back in 1998, Darlene's brother, Leo, claimed it was he who had made the calls. However, he also told me other things that were 100% untrue and, considering Zodiac was indeed making calls around that same time, I believe Zodiac was the most likely culprit"

I agree with both you and Tom, this scenario seems possible

i still believe DF knew Z...i also believe those calls were made by Z (knowing the unlisted # is just damn scary)...one thing i have yet to agree with is any connection between DF and gaik...i dont think gaik was Z but even i must admit the albany connection is very interesting but no solid proof DF knew of gaik in albany or vice versa..as of now its just theory...but it is interesting and narlow making the connection does raise an eyebrow...