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You're welcome Buckwheat.

Here's how I look at it. Even though there are several different options given on this thread as to who made the calls & why, the bottom line is, it's either one more of the outrageous coincidences of the case, or it isn't. Please give me a second to explain....

There are those on this site, and people in general, that demand physical and undeniable proof/evidence before they will even consider accepting what appears very likely to be true. Nothing wrong in that at all. These are the sceptics - the 'type who will say "Yes, it appears in all likelihood that that is the case, but without solid proof, I won't accept it." That stance I can totally understand. However, I don't understand, and maybe this is just me, people who not only won't accept the most likely and probable answer, but go way out of their way to claim it could be, or more likely is, some other possibility. This, to me, flies in the face of reason, logic and probability. We have two basic options when it comes down to it here.

1. The calls were made by a 3rd party who was completely unaware of Darlene's death an hour prior and they just so happened to pick the one time of the one day in the one month of the one year to make malicious phone call's to Dean and his parents when his wife, unbeknown to the caller, has just been murdered. Fantastic coincidence with odd's that are staggering. Or...

2. The call was made in direct relation to Darlene murder, by a caller who had either committed the crime, or had knowledge of it.

There's been lots of debate about the calls being placed to 'Ferrin' residences and none to Sunnen, De's parents name's. The speculation is that this was down to the shooter knowing De as Ferrin only, and the Sunnen phone No. being unlisted. Could be. Or it could be that the offender was far more familiar with Dean & his family, than he was with De's. Dean may even have been the main target, and by that I mean, there is nothing more painful than to take away what mean's everything to you

I honestly don't get It lol:

Man A: "Oh look, there's a goldfish in that tank"

Man B: "Do you have any evidence to prove that little gold fish is actually a goldfish? I'm afraid that is just your opinion of what it appears to be, I am going to have to insist on seeing some DNA."

Welsh Chappie wrote:I honestly don't get It lol:

Man A: "Oh look, there's a goldfish in that tank"

Man B: "Do you have any evidence to prove that little gold fish is actually a goldfish? I'm afraid that is just your opinion of what it appears to be, I am going to have to insist on seeing some DNA."

That phone call is not quite that obvious though. If only the caller had said something...

Tahoe27 wrote:

Welsh Chappie wrote:I honestly don't get It lol:

Man A: "Oh look, there's a goldfish in that tank"

Man B: "Do you have any evidence to prove that little gold fish is actually a goldfish? I'm afraid that is just your opinion of what it appears to be, I am going to have to insist on seeing some DNA."

That phone call is not quite that obvious though. If only the caller had said something...

I agree, there is nothing said down the phone, no 'monotone' to speak of hearing etc, but I just think that to dismiss the most obvious and likely explanation, to replace it with a claim that it is more likely to be a police officer calling to see if any ones home before he drives round the corner to see Dean, and when the Officer does get an answer on the line the other end, breathes for a few seconds down the line wondering what to do, before deciding to then hang up, is absolutely ludicrous! Lol.

I think to assume it was Darlene's killer is jumping the gun.

Could it have been? Sure. LE apparently didn't think the caller was their attacker...maybe they know something we don't.

Tahoe27 wrote:I think to assume it was Darlene's killer is jumping the gun.

Could it have been? Sure. LE apparently didn't think the caller was their attacker...maybe they know something we don't.

Well, if LE know who it was that called, why the called etc, then they hvn't released evidence of their investigation showing this along with results. But I have to completely and utterly disagree with you on "I think to assume it was Darlene's killer is jumping the gun." Firstly T, I know that you are looking at it from a perspective of evidence to clarify it was Zodiac. I agree that there is none. Now brace yourself now T, I am about to ask you to step outside f your comfort zone and, for 30 seconds, forget the word evidence. In lAW & CRIMINOLOGY the tried and trusted method of investigating is to gather evidence. But, Science often uses the law of probability when an absolute concrete piece of evidence cannot be obtained in, for example, Cosmology and Astrology. Science offers us the Theory of Evolution, Theory of Relativity, even the Theory of Everything. I suppose that the Universe and One Mr 'Zodiac' are very similar. Very little known about each. No known way to discover the secrets of the Zodiac, similarly to the secrets of the Universe. So, Science works on the idea that if the ultimate answer is unobtainable to you at present, such s the origins of the Universe, but there is a fair amount of known facts and data available, they will take all the facts, all the data, and use it all to come up with the most probable and likely explination for how this happened, and that's why we have 'The Big Bang Theory'.

But anyway, irregardless of the above, and again, not locking yourself in the box labelled 'Evidence Only' lol, do you honestly think that this phone call is pure coincidence by someone making a malicious series of phone calls who has no idea, nor do the recipients of the calls yet either, that Darlene is deceased?

Do you know any statisticians by any chance? Lol. I bet they'd approximate that the odds of this being pure chance are non related to the offender is thousands to one against.
Tahoe, but serious now, do you see the point I am trying to make?

Or you know maybe Leo was just telling the truth..
and we have no reason to believe that he was in jail that i know of

Tahoe27 wrote:I think to assume it was Darlene's killer is jumping the gun.

Could it have been? Sure. LE apparently didn't think the caller was their attacker...maybe they know something we don't.

"I think to assume it was Darlene's killer is jumping the gun." I am not saying the caller was the offender and no questions asked, what I am saying is this: At the time these calls were placed, July 5 at 01:30AM, no info has been made public yet that could account for these calls simply being a cruel prank so my point is its far more reasonable to assume that whoever made these calls had knowledge of what had just taken place than it is to assume that the calls were made my a police officer who didn't know what to say when Dean picked up. Ok, I would accept that as a possibility if as soon as Dean answered the line went dead because a cop just wanted to make sure he was home first (even though I have never ever heard of police doing this in any other case) but I cannot be asked to believe that upon Dean picking up the phone, the cop stays on the line breathing into the receiver. Breathing down an open line has long been the method of choice for those who wish to harass, intimidate or threaten others so my point is to ignore the most likely and obvious explanation citing the lack of evidence in favour of an alternative that is not only far less likely, but quite frankly ridiculous, is not logical in my opinion. (That's all it is, just my opinion)

Welsh Chappie wrote:Breathing down an open line has long been the method of choice for those who wish to harass, intimidate or threaten others so my point is to ignore the most likely and obvious explanation citing the lack of evidence in favour of an alternative that is not only far less likely, but quite frankly ridiculous, is not logical in my opinion. (That's all it is, just my opinion)

Unfortunatley, breathing on the phone was not Zodiac's typical behavior. He bragged to the cops, but chose to breath into Dean Ferrin's parents phone? Now THAT sounds ridiculous.

A cop was just one scenerio. There could be many. It's ok to assume it was Zodiac, but I don't think it will get you too far.