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smithy wrote:Two things puzzle me about this. First is that the man in the picture with Darlene looks like Jim Crabtree. Why wouldn't it be him? It surprises me that people think it's someone else.
Second, why does it matter? Do we think the guy in the picture murdered her? Has he got a pistol in his pocket, for instance? I don't get it.If there are any other pictures of her with other unknown men - or a cat - then lets post them and see if it helps us solve her murder. I suspect it won't.
Eh?

This is why it might be important:

http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/reply/1 ... YeWbKL-GSo

Posted by caresut on Zodiackiller.com Nov 26, 2010:

This unknown man was identified by the original person having this photo as being weird and was also suspected by the owner of the photo of being involved with Darlene's murder. He was not a relative. He may have been Jim Crabtree (show me some proof Sandy!). We have relatives who we have contacted who say it is not Jim, we have Jim who says it is not Jim.
This photo was described by the owner as being a boyfriend (not a husband)
of Darlenes. I suggest we don't write it off so quickly


Not sure who "caresut" is, meaning I don´t know if he/she is a relative of Darlene Ferrin?
Maybe somone else here know?

Caresut was a long time member on Tom's forum,and for a while on this forum. I don;t think he's related in any way to any Z victims,and he does not live in CA

In my opinion, this photo has only generated so many rumours, a lot of speculation, and some seeming quite sure that the man pictured with Darlene is none other that Zodiac himself for pne reason alone.... The man is wearing Horn Rimmed Glasses!

Seriously, I asked myself when I first came across this photograph...

'Could this man be the 'Stocky male' as described b y Mageau? Is it the man Officer Fouke said was 'Barrel Chested?' Does this man look between 35 - 45 as described by Officer Fouke, considering Fouke is the only witness that we know of that came inti contact with Zodiac while Zodiac was not wearing a hood over his head, nor was Fouke being pumped full of bullets at the time they were trying to see the mans face. Fouke got a clear, unobstructed look at the Zodiac while not being in total fear and panic for his life.

If it was the Zodiac in the photo then we have discovered something about him that would be utterly amazing. That being, Zodiac apparantly waltzes round the area murdering people that only a short time ago, he is posing with for photographs with the victim. I mean this is the same Zodiac remember that told the San Francisco Detectives 'Police shall never catch me because I have been too clever for them' and also proclaiming himslef 'Crackproof'.

Theforeigner wrote:

smithy wrote:Two things puzzle me about this. First is that the man in the picture with Darlene looks like Jim Crabtree. Why wouldn't it be him? It surprises me that people think it's someone else.
Second, why does it matter? Do we think the guy in the picture murdered her? Has he got a pistol in his pocket, for instance? I don't get it.If there are any other pictures of her with other unknown men - or a cat - then lets post them and see if it helps us solve her murder. I suspect it won't.
Eh?

This is why it might be important:

http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/reply/1 ... YeWbKL-GSo

Posted by caresut on Zodiackiller.com Nov 26, 2010:

This unknown man was identified by the original person having this photo as being weird and was also suspected by the owner of the photo of being involved with Darlene's murder. He was not a relative. He may have been Jim Crabtree (show me some proof Sandy!). We have relatives who we have contacted who say it is not Jim, we have Jim who says it is not Jim.
This photo was described by the owner as being a boyfriend (not a husband)
of Darlenes. I suggest we don't write it off so quickly


Not sure who "caresut" is, meaning I don´t know if he/she is a relative of Darlene Ferrin?
Maybe somone else here know?

The proof should be the pictures I have posted showing the same person as in that picture, he even has on long baggy pants, standing very much the same way. Also Howard found friends (meaning more than one person)of Darlene's and Jim's ,who say that is him. You of all people should know that Jim is not a truthful person, he is your number 2 suspect I thought ? The people who told Howard that he is Jim Phillips, have nothing to gain by lying. Why Jim is lying about it is anyone guess ? It is my understanding that the person who took that picture was the owner of the house who died, the person who ended up with that picture didn't know who the man was and wanted to find out because he/ she remembered hearing something about him being strange and possibly Darlene's killer . Darlene's own mother felt that way about Jim , she died believing that Jim was her daughters killer, so why wouldn't the uncle think the same way about him ? How many more people do we need to prove that is Jim in that picture? A few of you didn't believe the first picture ,which was Jim's graduation picture was him. I was given that picture by a LE officer who knew the Phillips family, that wasn't good enough either ! You are very good at finding things that others can't seem to find , why don't you prove it is not him, by getting one of his arrest pictures ?

sandy betts wrote:

Theforeigner wrote:

smithy wrote:Two things puzzle me about this. First is that the man in the picture with Darlene looks like Jim Crabtree. Why wouldn't it be him? It surprises me that people think it's someone else.
Second, why does it matter? Do we think the guy in the picture murdered her? Has he got a pistol in his pocket, for instance? I don't get it.If there are any other pictures of her with other unknown men - or a cat - then lets post them and see if it helps us solve her murder. I suspect it won't.
Eh?

This is why it might be important:

http://zodiackiller.fr.yuku.com/reply/1 ... YeWbKL-GSo

Posted by caresut on Zodiackiller.com Nov 26, 2010:

This unknown man was identified by the original person having this photo as being weird and was also suspected by the owner of the photo of being involved with Darlene's murder. He was not a relative. He may have been Jim Crabtree (show me some proof Sandy!). We have relatives who we have contacted who say it is not Jim, we have Jim who says it is not Jim.
This photo was described by the owner as being a boyfriend (not a husband)
of Darlenes. I suggest we don't write it off so quickly


Not sure who "caresut" is, meaning I don´t know if he/she is a relative of Darlene Ferrin?
Maybe somone else here know?

The proof should be the pictures I have posted showing the same person as in that picture, he even has on long baggy pants, standing very much the same way. Also Howard found friends (meaning more than one person)of Darlene's and Jim's ,who say that is him. You of all people should know that Jim is not a truthful person, he is your number 2 suspect I thought ? The people who told Howard that he is Jim Phillips, have nothing to gain by lying. Why Jim is lying about it is anyone guess ? It is my understanding that the person who took that picture was the owner of the house who died, the person who ended up with that picture didn't know who the man was and wanted to find out because he/ she remembered hearing something about him being strange and possibly Darlene's killer . Darlene's own mother felt that way about Jim , she died believing that Jim was her daughters killer, so why wouldn't the uncle think the same way about him ? How many more people do we need to prove that is Jim in that picture? A few of you didn't believe the first picture ,which was Jim's graduation picture was him. I was given that picture by a LE officer who knew the Phillips family, that wasn't good enough either ! You are very good at finding things that others can't seem to find , why don't you prove it is not him, by getting one of his arrest pictures ?

Sandy I TOO belive it is Crabtree in that picture, and I sure think you proved it with all the images you have found and posted.
I just posted that qoute/post of caresut's because it show why some people belive that the picture might be significant, but that doesn´t mean I agree that it is not Crabtree because, I DO belive it's him.

Thank you TF, I was sure you felt the same as I did. I could try and find one of his still living x's and show her the picture to get another opinion, but I don't think that would convince the people who no matter what doubt it ?

Even if I had a mountain of evidence, I doubt it would be enough to convince the people who already have their minds made up that it is not Jim.

I miss caresut, but I'm not sure he went on to a career in law enforcement.

The evidence then, ladies and gentlemen of the Jury, is that the "original person" (un-named) and "the owner" (also un-named) of this photograph say that this man (who looks suspiciously like Jim Crabtree standing with his wife) was "weird" and "suspected of being involved [with] her murder" by other person or persons - surprisingly un-named - and for no tangible reason.

The prosecution rests.

I realize I am the odd man out...so to speak, but I see strong differences in those two people and considering Darlene's autopsy which states her height AND the police booking report while in custody...it's not jibing.

It has nothing to do with not believing you Sandy. Some people take things personally when you voice a difference of opinion. While I doubt this skinny looking guy in the photos was Zodiac (or Jim)...now I just want to know.

Heck, this photo was on America's Most Wanted....I think they could have found out if it was Jim.