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Time traveler wrote:Here's the thing how does anyone know if Mike was correct in the time Zodiac left and came back.Mike said 5 to 10 minutes hell it could have been just a minute or two.I believe Zodiac just turned out to pull in a different way so that he could be right behind Darlene and Mike so that they wont back out like what possibly had happened at Lake Herman? I also believe that Z was ready to rock when he pulled in the frist time but I don't know what happened.Mike did say Z was sitting there for a little while he might have been pondering if he wanted to attack that night or not.

He pulled back around, and was essentially facing the same way he originally was(assuming he was the 1st car that was there)

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traveller1st wrote:
I posted the George Bryant piece by MB on page 2 of this thread btw.

So you did! Shows how attentive I am.

But, yes - George B clearly states that he heard what sounded like a gunshot (as distinct from the sound of firecrackers), and what Butterfield argues in his piece as such seems very logical to me.

This is the actual report, BTW, for those interested:

http://www.zodiackiller.com/DFR15.html

In Corpus Christi, two holiday dates were analyzed, that of January 1st 2012 and July 4th 2012, when fireworks were most prevalent. Of the 625 emergency 911 calls received that year, concerning gunshots fired, 379 were reported on these two dates alone, suggesting a significant proportion of the general public mistook fireworks for gunshots. The following video demonstrates the sound of firecrackers and gunshots and shows that over as little as 30 yards, the sounds become more indistinguishable. The greater the distance, the harder they are to tell apart. George Bryant was 800 feet from the parking lot of Blue Rock Springs. They become even harder to tell apart from within the confines of a building.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYqPAkCZfiI

I think its very possible that Darlene had planned to meet someone at BRS that night. For what reason, I don't know. Drug deal, break off a romance or whatever. I think she decided it might be a good idea to bring MM along as backup. She could have even suggested he wear multiple layers of clothes in order to look bigger.
This person (z?) arrives and checks the car only to find
Mike in the passenger seat. This kinda causes a temporary rethink of his plan so he leaves. But decides to hit them both. Possibly the initial plan was not to kill but when he realized Darlene had brought Mike this pushed him over the edge. Why did he go to Mikes side of the car to start shooting?
Just thoughts, as I'm fairly convinced Darlene knew the guy who killed her.

Talon wrote:I think its very possible that Darlene had planned to meet someone at BRS that night. For what reason, I don't know. Drug deal, break off a romance or whatever. I think she decided it might be a good idea to bring MM along as backup. She could have even suggested he wear multiple layers of clothes in order to look bigger.
This person (z?) arrives and checks the car only to find
Mike in the passenger seat. This kinda causes a temporary rethink of his plan so he leaves. But decides to hit them both. Possibly the initial plan was not to kill but when he realized Darlene had brought Mike this pushed him over the edge. Why did he go to Mikes side of the car to start shooting?
Just thoughts, as I'm fairly convinced Darlene knew the guy who killed her.

Or was it Mike who knew the killer?

She called Mike to go along with her (temporarily) as she and her husband were throwing a party--her babysitter was waiting for her return.

It would appear she called Mike because he knew what to get whatever it was they were in need of.

Mike later blamed himself for his part in her death.

And as you state, the killer went to Mike's side of the car. If Darlene was an absolute target and one hate-worthy of her kill, he would have focused his rage on her. If I'm not mistaken, the bullet that killed Darlene passed through Mike---that could be myth, but even so, there didn't seem anymore focus on Darlene. She too was alive when he left.

Perhaps he selected Mikes side because he figured he had a better chance if he got rid of the male first. (No discriminatory inference intended)! I don't really see where one side or the other offers a particular advantage - disgustingly, like shooting fish in a barrel...

Talon wrote:Perhaps he selected Mikes side because he figured he had a better chance if he got rid of the male first. (No discriminatory inference intended)! I don't really see where one side or the other offers a particular advantage - disgustingly, like shooting fish in a barrel...

I agree, but I also think if he had a personal vendetta it would have shown and I don't necessarily see one over the other. Could be Zodiac did know one of them, but wanted them both equally dead.

After watching the movie Zodiac, from 2007, I have had a question about the car pulling into the lot and then leaving and coming back. I get the idea that the guy was looking for Darlene Ferrin. I think when he found her, he went ballistic. He was enraged and wanted blood. Scorned lovers are a very dangerous sort. Crimes of passion are usually looked at differently than other killings, because of the state of mind of the culprit. I think he was stalking the girl.

UKSpycatcher wrote:
In Corpus Christi, two holiday dates were analyzed, that of January 1st 2012 and July 4th 2012, when fireworks were most prevalent. Of the 625 emergency 911 calls received that year, concerning gunshots fired, 379 were reported on these two dates alone, suggesting a significant proportion of the general public mistook fireworks for gunshots. The following video demonstrates the sound of firecrackers and gunshots and shows that over as little as 30 yards, the sounds become more indistinguishable. The greater the distance, the harder they are to tell apart. George Bryant was 800 feet from the parking lot of Blue Rock Springs. They become even harder to tell apart from within the confines of a building.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYqPAkCZfiI

Well, he seems sure himself that what he heard were gunshots and not fireworks (which he also heard, separately).

Besides, as mentioned above, the sequence of the noises he heard is identical to the one described by Mageau. That seems beyond a coincidence if you ask me.

Holmes201 wrote:After watching the movie Zodiac, from 2007, I have had a question about the car pulling into the lot and then leaving and coming back. I get the idea that the guy was looking for Darlene Ferrin. I think when he found her, he went ballistic. He was enraged and wanted blood. Scorned lovers are a very dangerous sort. Crimes of passion are usually looked at differently than other killings, because of the state of mind of the culprit. I think he was stalking the girl.

Was Betty Lou because of a scorned lover? Was Cecelia? Was Paul?

All of these victims were equally attacked...some died, some didn't.