Leaving and coming back 5 minutes later, did Z go home?

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Leaving and coming back 5 minutes later, did Z go home?

Postby morf13 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:17 am

RE: Leaving and coming back 5 minutes later, did Z go home to get his gun before attacking at BRS? If so, can we pinpoint where Z lived as far as possible streets?

Assuming the car that left BRS before the attack was Z, and that he then came back about 5 minutes later, one possibility is, he went home to get his gun. If so, we can perhaps make a judgement as to how far he could have driven back and forth within 5 minutes. We could layout some streets, and see if any suspects, or POI's resided in that area. I know Wier and I talked about this, and there may be nothing solid that comes from this, but I think it's worth a shot.

If Z did go home to get his gun and came back, he either went very close by and took extra time getting his gun, loading it, etc, or he went further away and got his gun very quickly.

So first order of business, mapping out some streets nearby. Also, think about speeds he may have driven etc
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Re: Leaving and coming back 5 minutes later, did Z go home?

Postby morf13 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:21 am

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The street names are hard to see, but as far as an idea of distance, BRS park, is about 2 miles from the road on the far left of the picture
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Re: Leaving and coming back 5 minutes later, did Z go home?

Postby morf13 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:54 am

Here's a list of all the streets within this map:
(not sure if all these streets were there in 1969)

in no special order:

Pebble Beach Dr
Sawgrass Ln
Sunriver Ln
Eagle Ridge Dr
Chenin Blanc Pl
La Salle Way
Zinfandel Ln
Redwood Pkwy
Melody Ln
Penny Ln
April Ct
Cabernet Dr
Headwater Dr
Terrace Beach Dr
Rocky Shore Dr
Edgewater Pl
Symphony Way
Sonata Dr
Claret Ct
Ascot Pkwy
Tumberry Way
Birkdale DR
Lippizan Dr
Preakness Ln
Trotter Dr
Danley Dr/Darley Dr
Reynard Ln
Doncaster Dr
Pinto Ct
Dapple Dr
Suffolk Ln
Pacer Dr
Foothill Dr
Clydesdale Dr
Pinto Dr
Sterling St
Legend Circle
Turner Pkwy
Chantily Ct
Berkshire Ln
Gateway Plaza Dr
Admiral Callaghan Dr
Irene Dr
Celeste Ct
Stevie Ct
Glacier CT
Headwater Dr
Port Way
Silverado St
Burgundy Ct
Bordeaux Ct
Barbera St
La Salle Way
Montara Ct
Irene Dr

Not sure if I got every single St, but I got the bulk of them, and I think all of these streets were likely the ones in which Z could have driven to and back from within 5 minutes.
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Re: Leaving and coming back 5 minutes later, did Z go home?

Postby Pettibon Junction » Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:23 am

I've always felt that Z probably took a quick ride down the street to make sure no other cars were coming and ensure he had time to do what he needed to do at Blue Rock Springs. If you consider the timeline at Lake Herman Road, it becomes pretty apparent that he barely made it out of there without someone catching him the act.
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Re: Leaving and coming back 5 minutes later, did Z go home?

Postby Wier » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:24 am

Just including this map of Vallejo from 1969.....as you can see BRS was a fairly rural area at the time with little of the present road network or homes built back then.

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Re: Leaving and coming back 5 minutes later, did Z go home?

Postby Wier » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:41 am

Incidentally, when entering directions on Google Earth between the Police Station and BRS, the quickest route ( 9 mins) brings you north on the I-80 hwy and onto Columbus.
There has been much speculation on Z's instructions in his call that night. What that demonstrates to me is that Z's knowledge of Vallejo was not only great but instinctive.
He didn't even have to mention the I-80 hwy, he knew that was the obvious route?

Roads and parkways such as North Ascot and Redwood were not there then and the only way onto Columbus from that direction was from the I-80 hwy ( 2 miles) or Admiral Callaghan lane approx one quarter of a mile closer
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Re: Leaving and coming back 5 minutes later, did Z go home?

Postby morf13 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:26 pm

Wier wrote:Just including this map of Vallejo from 1969.....as you can see BRS was a fairly rural area at the time with little of the present road network or homes built back then.

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Wier, any way to blow that map up to see the street names? Also, which end of BRS did Z pull out of when he left, was it the end closer to LHR(south side), or the end closest to Columbus Pkwy(North side)?
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Re: Leaving and coming back 5 minutes later, did Z go home?

Postby Wier » Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:04 pm

I could be wrong Morf, but to the best of my recollection there was only one entry/exit to the parking area and that would be to the north side of the lot.
Upon turning south after the murder he would have to travel the best part of 2 miles ( Tennessee/Springs road area) before coming to a built up area. Most everything else came later.
I can't do much with the map but will PM you another ( too large to post here) that will give a better perspective and we can work out whatever you need to know from there,
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Re: Leaving and coming back 5 minutes later, did Z go home?

Postby Dag MacLugh » Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:44 pm

I suspect that Z was drawn to Lovers' Lane sites as potential kill sites. In which case, he'd have scoped them out before going hunting--which would have included getaway routes.
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Re: Leaving and coming back 5 minutes later, did Z go home?

Postby morf13 » Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:55 pm

Dag MacLugh wrote:I suspect that Z was drawn to Lovers' Lane sites as potential kill sites. In which case, he'd have scoped them out before going hunting--which would have included getaway routes.


He seemed to know the area well. That area was pretty secluded too, not much in the way of houses.
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