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Re: Did Dee know her Killer?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:09 pm
by snooter
dunno..but if your doing a crime of this magnitude I would go to the driver first...why...male usually is the driver and thats the greater threat.i dont know what to make of dees comment other that I hear it from my own daughters and wife unit..i dont think there is any thing to it..but possibility always exists she did have some passing knowledge of the guy (Z) or more...i am just not totally ready to completly disolve some belief I have that DF may have known more than what we generally believe as fact today

Re: Did Dee know her Killer?

PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2015 11:33 pm
by wv171
Hard call. My wild guess again.
I have always had a very strange sense that Dee had seen them before or known who was there. Why I don't know..
My guess % wise Dee would rate higher on, "If they known or seen Z before more than any of the other victims had."

Might be a good reader poll test results if we ever get bored.

Re: Did Dee know her Killer?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:45 pm
by Dag MacLugh
As I understand, DF worked at a restaurant in Vallejo. If so, is/was this restaurant near Mare Island?

Re: Did Dee know her Killer?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 1:30 am
by Tahoe27
In the scheme of things, many would probably say everything was close to Mare Island. Just a few minutes drive.

Re: Did Dee know her Killer?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:53 pm
by zodiphile
[quoteI recently read a newspaper article where in Mike Mageau is interviewed while still in the hospital recovering from the Zodiac attack.
He states the killer originally pulled in beside he and Dee. That the killer backed his car in, with his window then being directly next to
Dee's window. When Mike asked Dee if she knew him, in the newspaper article he quotes Dee's response as "Don't worry about it."
It is dark and late at night and no other cars are in the parking lot and the killer backs in and parks next to the kids...][/quote]

I've never thought that any of the known victims knew Zodiac. I can't see any evidence that suggest that Dee knew who Zodiac was. Seems to me that her family had a lot to do with this idea. I've always thought that Zodiac pulled in on the drivers side of the car to scope out how many people were in the vehicle. When he noticed that the male was in the passenger side then he left so he could park behind them or on the passenger side. My guess is that leaving to only came back were for 2 reasons. First, he could get his car in a different position (straighter path to the male victim) without the victims getting too suspicious. Secondly, he could make sure that no cars where in close proximity to the park.

If and when this case if ever solved, the only thing that could actually shock me is if evidence was uncovered that the killer ever knew the victims.

Re: Did Dee know her Killer?

PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 3:54 pm
by Norse
zodiphile wrote:
I've never thought that any of the known victims knew Zodiac. I can't see any evidence that suggest that Dee knew who Zodiac was. Seems to me that her family had a lot to do with this idea. I've always thought that Zodiac pulled in on the drivers side of the car to scope out how many people were in the vehicle. When he noticed that the male was in the passenger side then he left so he could park behind them or on the passenger side. My guess is that leaving to only came back were for 2 reasons. First, he could get his car in a different position (straighter path to the male victim) without the victims getting too suspicious. Secondly, he could make sure that no cars where in close proximity to the park.

If and when this case if ever solved, the only thing that could actually shock me is if evidence was uncovered that the killer ever knew the victims.


There's also a chance - although I don't fancy it much - that the first car was unrelated.

But what you say makes sense to me: He arrives, scopes out the scene, notes where the victims are seated - and comes back to do his thing. Strikes me very much as something Z would do.

As for DF's "don't worry about it" comment, well - it's possible to interpret in all sorts of ways. As is MM's bizarre multilayer attire and the fact that we don't know precisely why the pair of them were in that parking lot to begin with. It all lends itself to speculation.

Personally I don't think she knew the attacker - which makes the above (all the "suspicious" circumstances) largely irrelevant. Those circumstances have been blown a bit out of proportion over the years too - more and more details about DF's personal life have been added and publicized, not necessarily by 100% credible sources/publishers.

Re: Did Dee know her Killer?

PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 6:46 pm
by morf13
I think that the 1st car was likely Z, and he left to run home and get his gun, arriving back a few minutes later. That would mean he could live pretty close to BRS. While I think Darlene and Z may have known each other, I don't see any clear evidence of it

Re: Did Dee know her Killer?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:39 am
by Wier
Post by morf13 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 6:46 pm

I think that the 1st car was likely Z, and he left to run home and get his gun, arriving back a few minutes later. That would mean he could live pretty close to BRS


And if true, potentially the best lead in the case.

Re: Did Dee know her Killer?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:13 pm
by morf13
Wier wrote:
Post by morf13 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 6:46 pm

I think that the 1st car was likely Z, and he left to run home and get his gun, arriving back a few minutes later. That would mean he could live pretty close to BRS


And if true, potentially the best lead in the case.


I agree it may be along with the Riverside connection, IF, Z was there in 66-67.(which I believe he was)

Re: Did Dee know her Killer?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:19 pm
by morf13
Wier wrote:
Post by morf13 » Tue Feb 10, 2015 6:46 pm

I think that the 1st car was likely Z, and he left to run home and get his gun, arriving back a few minutes later. That would mean he could live pretty close to BRS


And if true, potentially the best lead in the case.


Wier, you and I discussed this possibility via email. Maybe a thread about it would be worth making? Maybe we could figure out which streets would be likely around that area.(there may be a thread about this already, I forget). If Z went home, got his gun, and then got back about 5 minutes later, then Z would live within a certain range. If he went home to get his gun, I would think he likely sped to get back before his Victims left, so he could have covered more ground, but then again, a guy speeding down the roads of Vallejo that late at night might stand out or draw attention, so maybe he took his time.

We could lay out a map of a 'target area' for what roads and addresses would be within that range, then I would be happy to go back thru the criss cross directory I have for Vallejo 1969, and see who was living within these target areas.