David's Class Ring

[Tahoe27]

One of the things that has bothered me is that people think someone may have been trying to take David's ring or that he was in the process of giving it to Betty Lou.

But, Butterbach describes here that he noticed David clutching his ring WHILE AT THE HOSPITAL. No way would David have held that position AFTER he was placed into the ambulance if he was found that way. It's just odd to me.

David was alive. We know this. Could he have been going in and out of conciousness before his death?

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Click on this photo and the video will start where Butterbach is speaking of the incident:

[Tahoe27]

Here is a photo of a 1970 VHS class ring--thanks to Tracers!!

[Wier]

Fair Point Tahoe, ( as the idea that Z's approach may have been to use robbery as a ruse) that said, isn't it more likely to have been partially off before he was shot? Maybe he started to take it off and it slipped further in the interim. Very hard to imagine he was in any state to consciously do that later or even have the strenght to do so.

[Wier]

OOPS, that is to say the possible robbery ruse by Z is Important.

[Tahoe27]

Yes...could have been a possible robbery attempt...fake or real.

BUT, if he took it off prior to being shot, how did he manage to hold on to it?

[Wier]

Not Sure, all we can do is speculate...at a pure guess, Zodiac told them he wanted their money/valuables or Davis assumed it was a robbery and at whatever point, only had time to get it as far the joint. Perhaps he was trying to get it off to conceal it, as Betty Lou was exiting and didn't get the chance to remove it fully. It could have released further after being shot and or while they were moving him to the ambulance.
Something like that! At least I'd find that type of scenario easier to imagine, than David being in any condition to be able to remove it after being shot.

[Tahoe27]

I lean towards the ring NOT being off his finger. It sounds to me like it was on his finger and it was his other hand grasping it, but as you mention...nothing but specutlation.

[Welsh Chappie]

Funny enough the ring was something that has always bothered me. Theres been no explination as to why David was holding it between his fingers when he was found, and it seems to have been overlooked by the investigation as unimportant. I think this could be evidence that Zodiac communicated with David and Betty, maybe he used similar tactics at LHR as he did at LB, where he told Bryan 'Ok everyone stay calm, all I want is your money...I am an escaped convict' etc. Maybe David was in a similar predicament to Bryan and had no cash on him, so offered his ring as a substitute.

Another thing thats I have always wondered regarding the LHR attack is, did Zodiac have his vehicle, or was he on foot? Did he know that little lay-by/parking area was a lovers lane hot spot and lay in wait in the bushes behind the metal gate? This theory does have its merits because te approaching police, coming from both directions, do not recall/record seeing any vehicle's passing them as they approached the scene. And I also saw, in a newspaper article in the aftermath of the crime state "A large calibre rifle bullet was found at the scene' and the article went on to describe how the police were of the opinion that the shooter had been hid in the undergroath and fired at the couple first with a high calibre weapon.

[Patinky]

Funny enough the ring was something that has always bothered me. Theres been no explination as to why David was holding it between his fingers when he was found, and it seems to have been overlooked by the investigation as unimportant. I think this could be evidence that Zodiac communicated with David and Betty, maybe he used similar tactics at LHR as he did at LB, where he told Bryan 'Ok everyone stay calm, all I want is your money...I am an escaped convict' etc. Maybe David was in a similar predicament to Bryan and had no cash on him, so offered his ring as a substitute.

Another thing thats I have always wondered regarding the LHR attack is, did Zodiac have his vehicle, or was he on foot? Did he know that little lay-by/parking area was a lovers lane hot spot and lay in wait in the bushes behind the metal gate? This theory does have its merits because te approaching police, coming from both directions, do not recall/record seeing any vehicle's passing them as they approached the scene. And I also saw, in a newspaper article in the aftermath of the crime state "A large calibre rifle bullet was found at the scene' and the article went on to describe how the police were of the opinion that the shooter had been hid in the undergroath and fired at the couple first with a high calibre weapon.

BBM. I hadn't read about this or else I've forgotten it. If the shooter was hidden it puts a whole different light on the events and possible suspects. Ms. Ferrin running from the car would fit either case (responsible in vehicle or hidden in undergrowth). Since she was found several yards from the vehicle she had several seconds available to make a judgement, exit the car, then travel that far.

Does anyone know if all of her wounds were at close range? Iirc, the diagram of the site showed some shell casings a good distance from the victims yet some casings were very close to the Ferrin boy.

[AK Wilks]

The reporter may not have known that ammo that is .22 Long Rifle is commonly also used in .22 handguns.