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I wonder if they weren't going to get out and that is why their killer shot at the window..demanding they get out.

Considering where the bullet hit David, it's almost like whoever it was told them to stand facing the car. More cop-like moves.

Tahoe27 wrote:I wonder if they weren't going to get out and that is why their killer shot at the window..demanding they get out.

Considering where the bullet hit David, it's almost like whoever it was told them to stand facing the car. More cop-like moves.

Different look on it and sounds plausible. But I don't get the cop thing shooting out the rear window to get there attention. That sounds like opposite what cops ever should do.

StitchMallone wrote:

Tahoe27 wrote:I wonder if they weren't going to get out and that is why their killer shot at the window..demanding they get out.

Considering where the bullet hit David, it's almost like whoever it was told them to stand facing the car. More cop-like moves.

Different look on it and sounds plausible. But I don't get the cop thing shooting out the rear window to get there attention. That sounds like opposite what cops ever should do.

It's just that certain things Zodiac does reminds me of the techniques LE uses...not that he actually was a cop.

Tahoe27 wrote:

StitchMallone wrote:

Tahoe27 wrote:I wonder if they weren't going to get out and that is why their killer shot at the window..demanding they get out.

Considering where the bullet hit David, it's almost like whoever it was told them to stand facing the car. More cop-like moves.

Different look on it and sounds plausible. But I don't get the cop thing shooting out the rear window to get there attention. That sounds like opposite what cops ever should do.

It's just that certain things Zodiac does reminds me of the techniques LE uses...not that he actually was a cop.

Sometimes I "think" Zodiac's Dad was a cop, just a feeling I get. It would explain a lot of things.

I first read this a while ago on another forum- I've just found it again. It's not accurate - and can't be - in several respects, and it's a bit breathless, a bit lurid maybe, but it offers a different view of the circumstances surrounding events at LHR which at least gives pause for thought.

"DF is standing by the right rear tire speaking to a man in low tones. BLJ has rolled down her window in an attempt hear what is being said. Suddenly the man produces a gun and a scuffle ensues. Shocked, BLJ exits the vehicle. DF is struck by fist or pistol producing the bruise on his right cheek. The gun is placed to his left ear and fired. DF falls precisely where one would expect him to- face up, feet nearly touching the rear wheel. BLJ runs counter-clockwise around the Rambler, head down, desperately seeking cover. He fires at her twice but misses. These slugs soar off into the distance and are never recovered. Now BLJ is opposite the killer with the Rambler between them. He lifts his weapon **above head level and cocks his wrist** attempting a head shot across the roof of the station wagon. The slug digs into the car just above the rear window chrome and embeds in the headliner. BLJ screams and ducks into a squat covering her head. [It is probably this casing that carroms off the ground and/or the open door and comes to rest on the right floorboard. It is difficult to gleen too much about spent casings as, due to their shape, after they hit the hard frozen ground they have all the predictability of a punted football.] As he hurries clockwise towards the rear of the car he fires a shot in passing through the right rear window diagonally downward towards where he knows BLJ to be crouching in terror. He rushes around the rear of the Rambler just as BLJ makes a mad dash for her life. He fires hurridly and buries a slug into the left rear wheel well. As BLJ bolts past him this 'remarkable marksman' finally manages to hit her. She staggers on and he follows at a walk. He hits her three more times [an easy target now]. She falls and this putrid bastard stands over her and fires one last round [the one that leaves the powder residue]. "

The reason I suggested it may be plausable for Z to have been on foot is this:

'Fresh' footprint found behind gate in an area that in thick with undergroath.

No responding officers or witnesses report passing a vehicle on LHR

No second set of tyre tracks were found at the scene where Owen claims to have witnessed the second car. (This has been explained away due to ground being frozen.)

Smithy - "DF is standing by the right rear tire speaking to a man in low tones. BLJ has rolled down her window in an attempt hear what is being said. Suddenly the man produces a gun and a scuffle ensues. Shocked, BLJ exits the vehicle. DF is struck by fist or pistol producing the bruise on his right cheek. The gun is placed to his left ear and fired." I've also read the account that claims a scuffle took place shortly before DF was shot. If this is true, then it may explain why Z opened fire without allowing Mike out of his vehicle, and why he stood at a distance and demanded Cecelia tie Bryan up?

Zodiac also stated, when olice asked for more info: "In answer to your asking for more details about the good times I have had in Vallejo, I shall be very happy to supply even more material. By the way, are the police haveing a good time with the code? If not, tell them to cheer up; when they do crack it they will have me. On the 4th of July: I did not open the car door, The window was rolled down all ready."

The section I have highlighted is significant because it's almost as if Zodiac is saying in reply "On the 4th July: I did not open the car door (As I had done at Lake Herman Road)?

On the 4th of July: I did not open the car door, The window was rolled down all ready."

The section I have highlighted is significant because it's almost as if Zodiac is saying in reply "On the 4th July: I did not open the car door (As I had done at Lake Herman Road)?

Interesting take!....I had been wondering along those lines in relation to the locked doors. It's like their initial reaction was to lock all doors. While we cannot say it was not a panic reaction to a shot being fired/guy with a gun in his hand, I just wonder if there wasn't something that occurred before the shooting/they noticed a gun. A lesser threat in their eyes...locked the doors as opposed to trying to start the engine and get out of there.
Personally I would,nt doubt that Z was in full control, had the passenger door covered and instructed them to exit that door. He may well have opened it once he instructed them to unlock it.
I still believe there is something we are missing because they spent so much time parked alongside each other and Z decided he wanted them out of the car.

Wier wrote:

On the 4th of July: I did not open the car door, The window was rolled down all ready."

The section I have highlighted is significant because it's almost as if Zodiac is saying in reply "On the 4th July: I did not open the car door (As I had done at Lake Herman Road)?

Interesting take!....I had been wondering along those lines in relation to the locked doors. It's like their initial reaction was to lock all doors. While we cannot say it was not a panic reaction to a shot being fired/guy with a gun in his hand, I just wonder if there wasn't something that occurred before the shooting/they noticed a gun. A lesser threat in their eyes...locked the doors as opposed to trying to start the engine and get out of there.
Personally I would,nt doubt that Z was in full control, had the passenger door covered and instructed them to exit that door. He may well have opened it once he instructed them to unlock it.
I still believe there is something we are missing because they spent so much time parked alongside each other and Z decided he wanted them out of the car.

I agree. The fact that David was found holding his class ring in his hand also was never really looked into or explained and I think that could be very significant.

You can't "date" that footprint. "Fresh" could have been a few hours or a few day old. Who knows?
Behind which gate, anyway? (I've seen no diagram or photo of the print position that I can recall, please help.)

Re: the drivers door being locked, how about - "You stay here and lock the doors. I'll get out and talk to him/them."

Wier, can you expand on "they spent so much time parked alongside each other and Z decided he wanted them out of the car" please?

Welsh Chappie wrote:On the 4th of July: I did not open the car door, The window was rolled down all ready."

That response addressed something that was in the San Francisco Chronicle of July 6th, 1969 (Page A9) which said "the car door was torn open shortly after they had parked". In correcting it, our boy was trying to give further proof that he was at the scene.

Re: "I've also read the account that claims a scuffle took place shortly before DF was shot." - which account's that matey?

smithy wrote:You can't "date" that footprint. "Fresh" could have been a few hours or a few day old. Who knows?
Behind which gate, anyway? (I've seen no diagram or photo of the print position that I can recall, please help.)

Re: the drivers door being locked, how about - "You stay here and lock the doors. I'll get out and talk to him/them."

Wier, can you expand on "they spent so much time parked alongside each other and Z decided he wanted them out of the car" please?

Welsh Chappie wrote:On the 4th of July: I did not open the car door, The window was rolled down all ready."

That response addressed something that was in the San Francisco Chronicle of July 6th, 1969 (Page A9) which said "the car door was torn open shortly after they had parked". In correcting it, our boy was trying to give further proof that he was at the scene.

Re: "I've also read the account that claims a scuffle took place shortly before DF was shot." - which account's that matey?

You know I was going to put that Zodiac may have wrote 'I did not open the door' in response to someone having claimed he did.

The account about the scuffle wasn't an official account, it was on a website and was simply someone theory.

"Behind which gate, anyway? (I've seen no diagram or photo of the print position that I can recall, please help.)" The article states "Among the few clues was a deep heel print in the Earth. The print was in the brush grow area in rear of the fence bringing the pump house supply water to Benicia."