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Crime Scene Stills - KRON (SFBA TV Archives)

Posted:
Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:34 am
by Tahoe27
The following stills are from video taken by KRON back in 1968. It is available through San Francisco Bay Area Television Archives. We would like to thank both for their efforts providing this footage and sharing it with the public.
Here is a link to the video from which the stills were taken:
https://diva.sfsu.edu/collections/sfbatv/bundles/231064Information
Type of material: local newsfilm
Duration: 3:53
Rights for this video belong to: Young Broadcasting of San Francisco, Inc.
Recording medium: 16mm b&w negative silent/magentic sound film
Date aired: 12/21/1968
Originally aired on: KRON-TV
Where David fell. Note the fresh tire track.
Where Betty Lou fell:




Re: Crime Scene Stills - KRON (SFBA TV Archives)

Posted:
Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:10 am
by YourSecretPal
Shouldn't this be a Nash Rambler though?
Re: Crime Scene Stills - KRON (SFBA TV Archives)

Posted:
Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:23 am
by Tahoe27
Re: Crime Scene Stills - KRON (SFBA TV Archives)

Posted:
Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:14 am
by Tahoe27
I find this one interesting.
The tire track was obviously there prior to David's murder. It appears to be fresh and in the same angle as the Rambler would have been. Could this be the tracks of a car parked next to them at one point? It looks like a wide tire...or is that just my take? Obviously the car didn't back-out over David, but I wonder why we never heard of any tire casts being made. Maybe it was the Rambler's--it was mentioned the car had changed positions, but regardless...there are plenty of tracks in that dirt, yet we never read anything about them.

Re: Crime Scene Stills - KRON (SFBA TV Archives)

Posted:
Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:42 pm
by UKSpycatcher
Here are two stills combined Tahoe, to give the widest perspective of the turnout.

Re: Crime Scene Stills - KRON (SFBA TV Archives)

Posted:
Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:28 pm
by snooter
Looks like a bf goodrich tread to me..probably passenger car and not a truck tread..i cant make out zig zag zag tread or not...guessing f70-14 tire and not 60 series 15 inch rubber...run of the mil car and tire..could be on any 14 inch rim size...the widest tire of the era on passenger cars was the f60× 15 which i think first appeared on 1969 boss 302..not sure if corvette were even runin that size 68ish era...im goin with goodrich bias ply tire available anywhere as were all other types/brands but that definetly looks passenger car tire...detail so bad if tire was chunked would be a huge piece of evidence..well at the time....just a wag on my part here
May be x drove his allard or vw, ross hitched a ride or tk bummed a ride off a college kid...mansons bunch would have driven dune buggies i would guess
Re: Crime Scene Stills - KRON (SFBA TV Archives)

Posted:
Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:25 am
by Bayarea60s
There's also another tire impression in the same shot, different tire tread, could be from truck, in the other direction. I think that first tire track mentioned would actually be driving through David's car, it's heading in a SE or NW direction depending on whether it was entering or leaving area.
BayArea60s
Edit...So the cops feet at the top right of the pic, just beyond him would be the Rambler? I was looking at this as a daytime shot, along with my own misdirection. I guess if they brought in ample lighting that wouldn't necessarily mean it was a day time pic. I was also initially thinking that was a shadow at the top of David's outline was from someone standing there, the tread would be hard to see, but I think it was made prior to the event. So when David fell to the ground his head was basically right up to the driver's side of the killer's car? You would think they would have taken a cast of that tread, I mean the tread is very evident.
Re: Crime Scene Stills - KRON (SFBA TV Archives)

Posted:
Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:42 am
by snooter
I agree that 2nd set looks like what is now a vintage truck tire tread..or may be a passenger car winter tread tire..none of those treads look like a "military tread" to me..again totally wag on my part...
Re: Crime Scene Stills - KRON (SFBA TV Archives)

Posted:
Thu Mar 30, 2017 11:02 am
by Tahoe27
Thanks UKS...always nice to have added perspective.
Bay...we don't actually know where the killer's car was parked. I don't think it (if there was one) was parked there at the time...or they would have had to drive over David. That's what it looks like to me anyway.
Re: Crime Scene Stills - KRON (SFBA TV Archives)

Posted:
Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:41 pm
by mike_r
Hi-
Well, I am sure there were many tire tracks in that turnout. But IF the one in question was from the killer's car, maybe the car had driven up far enough forward (i.e., east) so as to have passed the point where David would eventually fall. Therefore, if the rear of the car was forward of that point David could have fallen onto the track and not hit the car at all. I don't know squat about tires but if it was a common tire then collecting it would have been an academic exercise, anyway. Neither my friend Jim Dean (retired VPD who did crime lab stuff) nor I believes that bit about the ground being "frozen solid." I think they trampled the scene so badly that they could not recover any footprints if there were any. Instead of admitting that, it was the ground's fault. Wayne Waterman was of this opinion in 2001 or so. He was very critical of the on scene investigation being done by Benicia. It was 22 degrees at night but not during the day. So I believe it was possible for tracks to have been left in what looked like ground that was a bit water soaked/muddy.
Mike