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Bidou admitted that it wasn't their case, so it is no wonder he wouldn't know very much about it. I travel Lake Herman rd many times a year., both day time and at night.
I would like to add that for Bidou to not see David's car in the turn out , is no surprise to me. If you blink your eyes as you are driving even only 30 miles per hour pass the turn out , you can miss it. I would not put much weight on anything Bidou has to say about the case.

We all know that David's body was on the ground near the passenger side of the car.The chalk out line of where his body was found, tells me that David was probably standing near the passenger door , perhaps with his hands up on top of the car, as if it were a hold up. Betty I assume was standing to David's right.

Zodiac would have been standing behind David, towards his left side,then when the coast was clear and there were no cars driving near by, he shoots David behind his left ear ( similar to Paul Stine's behind the right ear)
With that Betty realizes that it is not just a holdup , but murder and runs for her life , around the shooters car towards the right.
I think she chose to run that way thinking the other car would be some protection. The first few shots probably knocked her down, then Zodiac shot her up close a few more times to make sure she was dead. Always an over kill on the female.

It is somewhat Ironic that I have found two spent 22 long super X casings in the gravel at that crime scene. They look pretty old , but I wonder if Zodiac went back there and purposely put two of them there ? I have no doubt that he revisits all of his crime scenes, perhaps leaves his mark showing that he was there. He loves to taunt.

Again I am not stating this as a fact, it is what I think could have happened.

Sandy:
You brought up an interesting point, one that I believe has been discussed before: Z's emphasis on killing women--not that he was Mr. Nice to the guys, but at least a couple of them survived. We all know he focused on necking couples in Lovers Lanes, no doubt because they were so vulnerable.
One thing especially interests me: the murder of Paul Stine. If you count Cheri Bates, all the Zodiac killings, except Stine's, included women. Lately, we had a rash of "Why did Zodiac stop with Stine?" questions. If you'll allow me to play shrink, I'll add my two cents worth.
IMO, Z had serious sex hangups, and blamed females for his problems. Let us suppose that one of the reasons he was a serial killer was that killing a female supplied the ability to function sexually--at least, for awhile. Then he would again kill a woman, preferably in a Lovers Lane environment, which would eliminate the couple's--particularly, the male's--ability to enjoy normal sex.
Now, for Stine. Let us assume Stine's murder was a random incident. Perhaps Stine said something that offended Z, perhaps not. At any rate, Z shot Stine, and escaped. Pushing "perhaps" to the max, Z found that recalling Stine's murder turned him on! What might that have done to Z's opinion of himself? He was a...faggot? Perhaps the unraveling of the big, bad, man's man fantasy he created for himself effectively ended his "career."
All wild suppositions, I agree. But, what the hell? It makes a kind of goofy sense.

There are many people who believe that Zodiac stopped killing after Paul Stine.( I don't believe that for a minute.)
Regardless of why Zodiac killed, I believe that he kept his word in part , by not announcing when , where or who he killed. At least that is what I think he did for a while, but because of his huge ego, he eventually had to send more communications.

Unfortunately most of those communications were thought to be a copy cat. Some may have been, but I don't think that they all were.
I believe that he kept killing, because that is what he enjoyed doing. The attention he was receiving I think, was almost more important than the killing.
He became upset when he was no longer on the front pages of newspapers.

I have given a lot of thought as to why Zodiac seemed to slow up and then start up again . It could be that he was in a relationship for a while, then when it fell apart, he wrote again.
There had to be something that happened in his life that made him become a serial killer. Finding what that could be would narrow the list of suspects.

There have been times that perfectly normal people have a bad head injury that changes their personality and they become killers. I feel pretty sure that there is someone who knows who Zodiac is, someone who is afraid to come forward perhaps a close friend or relative, who is successful in business and worries about his reputation if he were to tell police.
I don't think Zodiac knew either David or Betty Lou, they were in the wrong place at the wrong time seems reasonable. He could have been a worker at Humble Oil or at Syar on his way home from his shift or on his way to work. Safer for him if it was after his shift ended, because he would know that there wouldn't be very many cars after the next shift started. I have been there on Dec. 20th from about 10 pm to 11:30 pm and could see the traffic almost come to a stop at about 11pm. That was when I felt Zodiac knew when it would be safe to do what he did. He was probably an opportunist at that time and any time before that. As he became more comfortable, because he was getting away with it, he progressed . The blitz attacks weren't turning him on anymore, so he escalated at Lake Berryessa.
Being the coward that he is, he had to hide behind a mask to do what he did. Something else for us to think about.
( That is my take on it anyway ) I think he has changed his way of collecting slaves and is still killing.

We see many times when a murder is solved several years after the crime, often with DNA in recent cold cases, the killer is already behind bars for either a lesser infraction or for another murder. The Zodiac as you say likely never lost his compulsion to kill but obviously the more you keep re-offending the more likely your luck will run out. The more you commit the more you risk. There is one notable gap in Zodiac communication between 1971 and 1974 and if you believe any of the later letters are real in 1974, after this nothing. He probably never lost his compulsion, moreover the compulsion was an avenue he was now deprived of. The simplest and probably the most likely answer to the Zodiac mystery, although not certain, is he was either arrested for a subsequent murder and lived out his remaining days in prison or he simply died of natural causes and was buried long ago, likely in the 1970's. The reality is likely far less interesting than the fantasy of keeping the Zodiac alive and living in a neighbourhood near you to this day. The enigma of the Zodiac has lasted for nearly 5 decades, it is likely this sad pathetic individual lasted far less. He has morphed from a ruthless coward in the 1960's and 1970's into this fictionalized and evasive 'caped crusader' we see today, serialized in films and books and the only way he is kept alive is through the imagination of thought turning man into myth. The idea this man is still alive driving a Toyota Prius, walking the dogs in the park, attending the baptist church every Sunday, mowing the lawn every Tuesday and leering over the neighbors fence with a glint in his eye, having eaten popcorn at the local cinema watching Zodiac 2007 is worthy of a movie all by itself, I love a good fantasy.

UKS: Don't be so sure Z is fertilizing flowers. I'm 76, and far from wheelchair-bound. According to actuaries, the lifespan for the average white male American is 78.4 years. So, there's every possibility your fantasy could be reality....
I've a non-Z related question to ask you, my British friend. You're from Coventry, right? If my memory holds, that was the city that was ferociously bombed by the Nazis so that they wouldn't discover the British had broken the Nazi code (Enigma?). What do residents of Coventry now think of that decision? And are they a bit upset with Churchill for having ordered it?

UKSpycatcher wrote:We see many times when a murder is solved several years after the crime, often with DNA in recent cold cases, the killer is already behind bars for either a lesser infraction or for another murder. The Zodiac as you say likely never lost his compulsion to kill but obviously the more you keep re-offending the more likely your luck will run out. The more you commit the more you risk. There is one notable gap in Zodiac communication between 1971 and 1974 and if you believe any of the later letters are real in 1974, after this nothing. He probably never lost his compulsion, moreover the compulsion was an avenue he was now deprived of. The simplest and probably the most likely answer to the Zodiac mystery, although not certain, is he was either arrested for a subsequent murder and lived out his remaining days in prison or he simply died of natural causes and was buried long ago, likely in the 1970's. The reality is likely far less interesting than the fantasy of keeping the Zodiac alive and living in a neighbourhood near you to this day. The enigma of the Zodiac has lasted for nearly 5 decades, it is likely this sad pathetic individual lasted far less. He has morphed from a ruthless coward in the 1960's and 1970's into this fictionalized and evasive 'caped crusader' we see today, serialized in films and books and the only way he is kept alive is through the imagination of thought turning man into myth. The idea this man is still alive driving a Toyota Prius, walking the dogs in the park, attending the baptist church every Sunday, mowing the lawn every Tuesday and leering over the neighbors fence with a glint in his eye, having eaten popcorn at the local cinema watching Zodiac 2007 is worthy of a movie all by itself, I love a good fantasy.

I wish it were a fantasy and the man who claims he is the Zodiac, who is still doing his thing is only a hoaxer. Time will tell , his time is coming soon I hope.
Some criminals actually get better at getting away with they do, others get sloppy and caught.
Zodiac knows that killing people at random is much harder getting caught, than when there is a connection to the victim.
Unless of course the killer can make it appear to be a random killing like I believe he did with Darlene.
There are a few surviving victims of this person who claims to be Zodiac who are in hiding, not the one we all know he is not hiding. But two females who were left for dead , who were beaten, tortured , stabbed, they know he is not a fantasy.
They know he is still out there.

Dag MacLugh wrote:UKS: Don't be so sure Z is fertilizing flowers. I'm 76, and far from wheelchair-bound. According to actuaries, the lifespan for the average white male American is 78.4 years. So, there's every possibility your fantasy could be reality....
I've a non-Z related question to ask you, my British friend. You're from Coventry, right? If my memory holds, that was the city that was ferociously bombed by the Nazis so that they wouldn't discover the British had broken the Nazi code (Enigma?). What do residents of Coventry now think of that decision? And are they a bit upset with Churchill for having ordered it?

To be honest Dag you hear little about it, but for sure Coventry became the sacrificial lamb for the greater cause, it depends whether you believe in the bigger picture, although that is cold comfort for the victims, I'm impressed by your knowledge of Coventry being one of the less prominent cities in England. Are you from Arizona my friend.

The average male lifespan might well be 70 odd years but for a severely mentally ill person this is far less. Add the fact that he almost certainly had an abusive, traumatic upbringing and ran around with guns and knives taking massive risks and you have all the ingredients for a much shorter than average life.

If he didn't see his days out in prison or in a care facility then I''m of the belief that he probably died within a decade of the known murders and probably - either intentionally or not - by his own hand.

Something to think about, Borges came across the scene and immediately saw both bodies outside of the car

In this interview, Butterbach says the class ring was missing from Faraday's finger and that Z must have taken it as a souvenir. I really have no faith in what elderly cops say based on decades-old memories.

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