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traveller1st wrote:Here's the bit of the documentary "This is the Zodiac Speaking" made to accompany the 2007 film. This shows the view from a car at night driving towards the parking spot/crime scene. For visual reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI0jnsbZwys#t=214

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trainmaster wrote:That graphic photo must have been computer-colored because the original was black-and-white.

Betty Lou, as I recall, was not shot in the face, but in the chest-back area. It is common for blood to flow from the mouth.

Although that spot was a popular lover's lane and a frequent hang-out for young people, I wonder if they were "lured" to that spot for a reason by someone?

This is one case that, for lack of eyewitnesses, we will never know, but talking to people who knew them and even saw them up to their last hour or so might shed some light on what might have happened. The rest is speculation.

As far as going to a movie or play, the time of the year was Christmas, and in those times, it was a tradition of the schools to put on a Christmas program.
So, it is of no surprise or suspicion that Betty Lou would tell her parents David was taking her to the Christmas Concert (which was a cover-up).
From David's sister, we have the impression that David was tipped about a group of kids getting together at the "lover's lane" that evening....but, again, we don't know why. All we do know is it was very cold, below freezing, they went to friends' homes, then to Mr. Ed's and headed down to the fateful place.

The rest remains a mystery and will remain so, unless somebody who saw something comes forward. Owens was the closest person to see anything, and
he should have been interrogated more than he was - investigated into as well! I would regard him as a suspect, until he was/is cleared.

morf13 wrote:Again, this has to come up regarding Zodiac on foot. How do we explain the car seen there by Owen? 20 seconds after he drove by he heard a shot. The person that killed them was associated with that car. As you well know,I don't neccessarily believe Owen, but my reasoning is because I think he could be Zodiac, and wanted to cover his ass. You think he lied just to lie. I still don't understand your reasoning here regarding Zodiac being on foot.

Tahoe27 wrote:

Welsh Chappie wrote: (PS. I know you refer to this person making the claim on fb as 'the person' or 'He/She, They' etc but are you deciding to be respectful and withhold this persons name, or don't you know this persons name because they won't tell you? If a person claims something to be accurate and true and is adamant that they are correct but then refuse to have their name linked with what they are disclosing, I would be highly sceptical.

I know the name, but am not posting it. They are a real person who did live in Vallejo and attended Hogan High. What I don't know is if their story is legit. It would be one thing if they didn't come forward for whatever reason when they were young, but let's hope later in life they decided to tell LE...especially if they were in a white Impala!

mreed_ (signed in using yahoo)
It is a little awkward to reveal this story, but one of the Chevy Impalas spotted at the Lake Herman turnout at 9:00 and 10:00 on the night of December 20, 1968 belonged to my girlfriend's parents. It was a two door, not a four door and it was a baby blue color -- very light. I suppose our car could have been mistaken as white by the witnesses who passed by because it was pitch black out there, but the record mentions two separate sightings of Impala models parked at the turnout that night. I don't think the police ever definitively concluded that there were two separate vehicles. The witnesses could have been mistaken about the time when they passed the turnout. My guess is that there was only one car parked there during those hours -- our Impala. I am certain that I was parked at the Lake Herman turnout with my girlfriend sometime between 9:00 and 11:00 pm on the night of the murders. Too many years have passed to feel confident of the exact hour we arrived though. But we did not go back after we left and we certainly had no intention of returning to that turnout. What a miserable place on such a night!

The night of the 20th was spooky and extremely cold, the coldest night of the year. We had to keep the car running and the heater blowing full blast... and we still couldn't stay warm enough. Our windows completely fogged over from our body condensation which made us feel very uneasy because we had no way of knowing if someone might walk up to our car out of the dark, exactly as happened to Farraday and Jensen. I do remember having that feeling. Of course it was unlikely that someone was out there because they would have to park nearby, and there is no other place to park. I don't think the Zodiac could have made it down that road in the total darkness without a flashlight. We stayed at the scene of the killings between a half hour and an hour before finally deciding it was just too cold and uncomfortable. We turned the Impala around and drove back to Vallejo to look at the displays of Christmas lights in the California Meadows subdivision.

When I woke the next morning the headlines screamed about the murders at the same spot we were parked and I freaked out, called my girlfriend and told her about it. We were both very frightened and didn't want to contact the police because our parents would hit the roof finding out that we were at the very place close to the time that Farraday and Jensen were killed. Perhaps by contacting the police we could have helped the investigators better understand what was going on during the hours before the murders. But we were certain we didn't want to get involved. In our minds, nothing really happened while we were parked at the Lake Herman turnout that could be of help to the case. However, the blackness, the bitter cold and the total darkness did spook us. I do remember that there were at least a couple of cars that passed by during our stay and they went by relatively slowly (but not at a crawl). The occasional car passing gave us a real uneasy feeling. We both readily agreed it would be best to leave, and that probably saved our lives. I suppose it is possible the Zodiac was driving one of the cars that went by but at the time that didn't occur to us.

During the few times we parked there (before the murders) we usually spent an hour or two enjoying the solitude that Lake Herman Road provided for young lovers. We were both seventeen at the time. I was a senior at one of the local high schools and my girl was a junior at Vallejo High. She knew Farraday. Vallejo really was much more of a small town back then. Our brush with the Zodiac was a traumatic experience for us and we kept it mostly to ourselves. Ironically my girl later unwittingly became a character of minor importance in the Zodiac story but not in any way relating to the killings.

I eventually lost touch with my girlfriend and kept the incident pretty much to myself. I suppose she could add some detail to my recollections that could be helpful, but we put the whole experience behind us and I wouldn't know where to locate her. I never read a Zodiac book nor saw one of the movies although the case has always remained in my mind. I never really forgot how close we came. And... yes, I eventually told my story to Tom Voit several years ago . He invited me to a San Francisco screening of the movie, Zodiac but I had other commitments. I know it must seem weird to have kept it all under wraps for so many years, but remaining silent about traumatic events is a symptom of PTSD. Finally, I want to assure you that this is not an invented story. It is still real for me after 46 years.
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