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I checked on Google Earth, and not very comfortable with current information versus how things were in 1968. 45 years is a long time for things to change. But what I did find was the gravel road beyond the gate has a name (now?) its Addison Ct....Addison Ct. turns into W. Channel Road....West Channel Road ends at E. 2nd St.
Off to the right (north) of W. Channel there's a whole housing development there, I'll go back in and go to street level to determine, if I can, the approximate age of those homes. My thought is those homes weren't there in '68. I've never heard them mentioned at all by anyone as being relevant to the area back then.
We know the military ran a shooting range and other operations? out there during the 50's and early 60's. So they would have roads (I would think all gated) to get to their various installations. So the gravel road beyond the gate would run all the way to E. 2nd St. (probably another point of entrance for the military). and I would think that too would be gated with a lock. May have been other roads as well, I don't know.
I can see where it would be possible, maybe even a better plan, course Z didn't always use, like PH, maybe the best plan possible. And then there's Owen's claim of the other vehicle.

Bay, I came across some aerial maps of the Humble Oil area the other day. These maps date back to the 30's and go into the 90's. Maybe even the 2000's. The thing I hated about these maps is that it didn't show Lake Herman Road. Now I did see the tail end of old Lake Herman Road. It didn't connect to East second street at the time (thinking about 65' but might be a tad earlier or a tad later. Just don't recall off hand.) It dead ended on another winding road that then, in turn, dead ended on what would be East 2nd street. There also appeared to be the possibility of a road off to the West of Old Lake Herman Road. It was not as defined. I thought at the time that this was the same road as the pumping station would have been on. If it was actually a defined road, it too, did just like Old Lake Herman Road did : dead end on an unknown winding road that dead ended on East second street. Off to the side of where Humble oil would later be is nothing but farm land. I didn't get to see everything to the west though. Keep in mind though I am going from memory. Will look today for certainty.

Soze

Old lake Herman road ran all the way to park road which was parallel to 680. It ran this way from at least 1930 (earliest aerial I have) to approximately 1955. It can be seen that the road is still there in 1965 but what i cant see is if 2nd street cut it between 1955 and 1965. The 2nd road I spoke of is there until approximately 1947 but is certainly not as defined as old lake Herman. After '47, I cant see it at all. Not saying it isn't there. Just cant see it. Very hard looking at maps dating back this far and comparing them to today.

Soze

Soze.....

Thanks for the input. I found the military site I'd found once before. It doesn't give any useful pictures of the area, but what its documentation includes is descriptions of what was located there and what the area was fully used as. It wasn't just a shooting range, but was actually a munitions station. So there was large gauge military arsenal there. So I'm sure the area was fully contained, and the military I would think would have living quarters there. The docs refer to numerous installations built on the site. I'm recalling a run in that the hunter's had with someone who lived down that gravel road. From what I've seen of the pics and where the oaks are the hunter's would have been hunting maybe a 1/4 - 1/2 mile down the road. I'll have to go back and check TV's site. I'm thinking this was something that the hunter's actually mentioned to the Benecia police. Like someone came outside, and the hunter's decided to start making their way up to their truck. I'll have to go back and look for that account.
There are like 200 homes that have been built to the SW of the LHR site. There are many Industrial Equipment sites down by the E 2nd St. location, they appear to be mostly heavy duty equipment sites. I don't know if they were there in 1968.

Bayarea60s wrote:Soze.....

Thanks for the input. I found the military site I'd found once before. It doesn't give any useful pictures of the area, but what its documentation includes is descriptions of what was located there and what the area was fully used as. It wasn't just a shooting range, but was actually a munitions station. So there was large gauge military arsenal there. So I'm sure the area was fully contained, and the military I would think would have living quarters there. The docs refer to numerous installations built on the site. I'm recalling a run in that the hunter's had with someone who lived down that gravel road. From what I've seen of the pics and where the oaks are the hunter's would have been hunting maybe a 1/4 - 1/2 mile down the road. I'll have to go back and check TV's site. I'm thinking this was something that the hunter's actually mentioned to the Benecia police. Like someone came outside, and the hunter's decided to start making their way up to their truck. I'll have to go back and look for that account.
There are like 200 homes that have been built to the SW of the LHR site. There are many Industrial Equipment sites down by the E 2nd St. location, they appear to be mostly heavy duty equipment sites. I don't know if they were there in 1968.

From about '47 onwards, there were sites east of where the refinery would have been and just east of where old lake Herman was when it ran to Park. Only a few buildings - 1 or 2 being large. In '65, you can see where the ground had been leveled but no refinery in its spot. Some additional buildings are also added to the east. Cant see much directly west of the refinery but can see some of the north west.

Just so, I am clear, are you saying the hunters were hunting south of the crime scene or are you referring to another time? I don't recall seeing anything about a run in mentioned to the police. I suspect they mentioned a run in with the Yours but haven't seen that.

Soze

sandy betts wrote:Welch Chappie, While reading your post, I had an idea that I didn't think of before. Perhaps the reason Zodiac didn't make a call after he shot Paul was because he was staying in one of the homes or apts. in that area, making a call would be very easy to trace. If he had a car he could have driven to a phone booth to make the call that he seemed to like to do after a crime. I don't think he had a car at that time, maybe it was in a body shop getting repaired, because it had been in an accident with a cab a few days before perhaps ?

I think there's many things Zodiac didn't do that night that tend to suggest he was heading for a property in the area with the main one being his ignoring of the Cherry street Presidio entrance. If I'm a serial killer and I have just executed a cab driver in the middle of a street and my intended destination for escape was the grounds of the Presidio then I'm going to get there by the quickest and most convenient route available. Z doesn't, he stays on the street when he must surely have already known that police were responding because Pelissetti said when the call came over the air of the incident that "We fortunately were very close and responded to that corner and were able to do so with red lights and siren and got there very quickly."
We know that as the teen makes the call to 911, Z is still at the cab and it's safe to assume that the 911 operator gave the details almost instantly to the dispatcher who also instantly relayed it to patrol officers so Zodiac is very likely to hear Armond coming as he's walking away down Cherry and yet even in this situation he ignores the quick escape. Also, he recalled details of the search of JK playground so he must have been there somewhere.

And I, like you, used to think that he didn't phone because he was in a property close by and while I still think he was in a property, I think the lack of a bragging phone call to alert authorities to his latest slave collected may have been simply because he already knew the police aware of it because if by some miracle he didn't hear Armond's siren coming along Washington street, then he certainly knew by the time he got onto Jackson street because he couldn't fail to see Don and Eric's police car, he even put his head down and turned his back to them and up some steps to avoid them seeing his face.

Soze Asked.....

"Just so, I am clear, are you saying the hunters were hunting south of the crime scene or are you referring to another time? I don't recall seeing anything about a run in mentioned to the police. I suspect they mentioned a run in with the Yours but haven't seen that".

Soze.....

Hunter's were hunting down the gravel road, raccoon hunting, I would guess down around where you can still see all those oaks, maybe 1/4 - 1/2 mile down from gate?
I recall they said it took them 10 minutes or so to make their way back up to the gate. I looked on TV's site a little. Somewhere I recall the hunter's stating something to the effect that someone, turned on a light at their house, came out of their house, while they were hunting. Couldn't have been but a couple houses down there back then. I've only been able to find that there was one house down there. I imagine it belonged to the owner of the property back then. I'll look and see what I can find.

Ace Ventura:

I am NOT promoting another Z site, but go to Tom Voigt's Zodiackiller.com and you will
find a picture of the crime scene taken probably the day after the shooting. I believe the
tree is in the photo. That should answer your question.

Trainmaster