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Tahoe27 wrote:It's not really "their" review...just something said I had never heard before, although it's probably been said at one point. It's basically a magazine with a quick rundown of the case. Would be perfect for someone who didn't really know about it.

Marshall wrote:

StitchMallone wrote: Agreed and means they kick the bucket to me to use another phrase.

No I agree, the ad referred to someone dying. Whether it was a legit ad placed by someone who was referring to Fred, who knows. But the timing is notable (as is the probability, I think, that if Fred was involved, there would have been a "partner.")

What I was getting at is, since the History Channel is looking at Sullivan and Kane, IF someone was to bring Manalli into the picture, an angle I think could be worthwhile to investigate would be, could he / did he know either of these guys. Could he have met Kane at the prison he worked at, for instance. And since Kane was a realtor, I thought it would be pretty cool if there as documentary evidence that he had worked with Fred on a real estate transaction. Or, if there were still records of students who took classes from Fred. Angles like that.

I know Occam's Razor logic points to Z being one individual and I tend to think he was. But, again, that would probably rule out Manalli. If we look at Manalli we, in my opinion, need to pair him with someone else, specifically a shooter at BRS and PH. If you take Fred's writing, use of phrases, etc. and combine that with Kane's description and mental state, the combination is pretty interesting. A difficult but interesting development would be if these two guys could somehow be linked to each other.

Sky Soldier 10SFG(A) wrote:

texas21 wrote:I agree, especially about the ciphers. If you take his first cipher as an introduction to his capabilities then you have to think they were limited. It isn't logical to think he made some great leap forward in his coding between the 408 and 340 ciphers. Putting gibberish in would suit his sense of humor but it also would underscore that he wasn't much of a cryptographer to begin with...

Yep. This strengthens my suspicion that Sullivan was Zodiac. He took cryptography classes but it didn't make him a bonafide, certified, expert cryptographer, just an amateur. Again, the mental illness aspect fits the bill....in his delusional mind, those classes made him an expert.

Just imagine the rage that consumed him, when Donald Gene and Bettye June Harden cracked 408.

ophion1031 wrote:

Sky Soldier 10SFG(A) wrote:

texas21 wrote:I agree, especially about the ciphers. If you take his first cipher as an introduction to his capabilities then you have to think they were limited. It isn't logical to think he made some great leap forward in his coding between the 408 and 340 ciphers. Putting gibberish in would suit his sense of humor but it also would underscore that he wasn't much of a cryptographer to begin with...

Yep. This strengthens my suspicion that Sullivan was Zodiac. He took cryptography classes but it didn't make him a bonafide, certified, expert cryptographer, just an amateur. Again, the mental illness aspect fits the bill....in his delusional mind, those classes made him an expert.

Just imagine the rage that consumed him, when Donald Gene and Bettye June Harden cracked 408.

How do we know Ross took cryptography classes? This is the first I have heard of that.

Mikecat66 wrote:The guys on this show have not come up with anything new. Nobody is sure how many he killed. Trying to tie the So. Cal. and Tahoe deals together, missing a Tahoe body. No body, No murder. If you take only what is known facts about the case it is pretty much an empty bag, I think. He uses a mask then no mask. Can't decide on gun or knife. Is he killing couples or singles, Both. Male or Female both, Maybe kids, no only threat. Bomb ? Only threat. The shows computer and cipher experts are not getting far either. I'm to the point that I think the Zodiac is unable to make a plan and stick with it. He can't decide what kind of person he wants to be. Kidnapper and murder ? He tried that too. Fail, I might add. Cipher Genius ? I am to believe he is smarter than the worlds experts and a computer. The cards and letters have been no help finding him, taunting with no chance of payoff no skill needed for that . He may have screwed up the ciphers other than the first one, that turned out to be not that hard to solve. He might just be a random knucklehead the most dangerous Game to catch. Oh,did he only call once on the phone I can't remember.

Tahoe27 wrote:Was it actually found he took classes, or did he just write a paper? I remember seeing it written about a "paper", but I thought "classes" was added in. I'd have to go back and look. Anyone remember?

Skyward wrote:

Tahoe27 wrote:Was it actually found he took classes, or did he just write a paper? I remember seeing it written about a "paper", but I thought "classes" was added in. I'd have to go back and look. Anyone remember?

He turned in a paper on cryptography. How we know this I am not certain, someone in the Library? If we had that paper it would connect a few dots, which is an understatement.