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Tahoe27 wrote:

Zresearch wrote:Wait, so the lass family and Harvey Hines created a missing person poster for donna with a cipher included on it?

seagull wrote:Yes, Donna's sister and nephew created it. As has been said about the poster, the area code in the phone number did not exist until 1997, the reward amount was quite high to have been offered back in the 70s, the typical reward back then would have been in the $500-$1000 range and I believe it was Glurk who noticed the font of the text on the poster was a font found on something that was computer generated.

Harvey Hines suspect was Larry Cane, Larry Cane live in the South Lake Tahoe area at that time and until his death.

Zresearch wrote:The lass family and Harvey Hines created a missing person flyer for Donna which included a cipher, which when decoded leads one from the casino where Donna disappeared to donner pass?

Is it just me or does this seem a bit morbid and disrespectful? Specially for family to perpetrate...

I fully believe you, it just seems like a bizarre thing for family to do...

That was NOT decoded properly. How on Earth anyone could come up with those directions from that, well...

Someone most certainly looked at google maps, or made the trek themselves, then appointed what they found to the code work. I think the code was created for attention to Donna's case and a possible Zodiac link. Nothing more.

Yeah, I could not find much regarding how it was decoded, I know it done was using anagrams, but still could not find a detailed explanation.

So did those who created the flyer ever state what message the cipher was truly hiding?

Hi folks -

First time poster to this site. Have been a lurker, mostly on Tom V's site, and have had an interest in the Zodiac case since seeing the Fincher movie and then reading Graysmith's book.

I found the series to be pretty disappointing, and I hope that Morf and the others here that contributed to it don't take offense. I would blame the show's producers for that. The Mt. Diablo excursion seemed to a reach and waste of time, and the Donner Pass trip was a wild goose chase inspired by the cipher on the Lass reward poster that (apparently) the Lass family created. Also, it didn't seem fair that the show implied that theories & evidence that were already out there was 'discovered' by people on the show.

WTH was the point of Carmel "writing" that poem? lol

It really jumped the shark in the season finally of hyping the "solved" cipher giving a suspect name but we can't tell you until the FBI and CIA have looked at it. Then when they all agree it could be accurate they do the big reveal,

Richard Nixon.

Oh for Gods sake, I mean they may have cracked it and it may be that he put in Nixon as a joke, but why the secrecy other then to make the viewer think they were gonna get a real name?

I do not know why I keep falling for these shows (Oak Island, HH Holmes Hunting Hitler ect) but I do and get annoyed every time. They stretch this stuff so far out trying to get as many episodes as they can.

I worked a lot of cases and the amount of work "Accomplished" in this season amounted to one full day of work. Its just like any cold case, find un reported DNA and compare it. Reach out to all wits and see if anything new has come up.

The sketch at the top of this page is from some teenagers at the Stein murder. Just take pics of all known suspects, find those former teenagers and show them the pics. If they have already done this then just say so. I cant believe they weren't shown photo line ups of every known suspect by the SFPD. A wit good enough to give you a sketch is good enough to ID from a pic and if they can't ID from a pic then we need to rethink the validity of the sketch.

As far as the show goes, I don't blame those who contributed from this site for the faults of the show, you have to blame the structure of commercial television in general, they probably have to make the show in that manner regardless of who contributes.

I actually like the zodiac show, I mean, I do not like a good deal of the baseless claims, and buildups and let-downs, and some parts of the show are a waste of time, but there are pieces which are informative and productive. (I also like the oak island show, but I have a high tolerance for nonsense)

Quite a few of the History Channel shows are over for me, before they begin. I analogize them to Click Bait on YouTube. The Curse of Oak Island is the one exception for me, because Rick & Marty Lagina are absolute fanatics about the subject. I know Tim Kennedy and, other than the opportunity to travel around the world (which we did in the Army), can't understand why he would want to be a part of that train wreck.

The Zodiac show was one giant disappointment, and I blame the producers. The Carmel "super computer" was a bad Hollywood joke. I liked Bauer's KISS theory on Z340, with the non-ciphered letters and the gibberish. If Bauer's decryption is correct, I'm not the least bit surprised that Zodiac didn't include his name but rather that of President Nixon's. If I were to give my opinion of Zodiac's profile, I would have to say he is/was a mentally ill, cowardly, unimaginative, raging egoist who never got any kind of validation from anyone. Military? If he was, he never served out a full term and may have been discharged, due to disciplinary/mental health issues, further reinforcing the non-validation....couldn't even get that right. The boots could have been bought in any Army/Navy store.

My theory for the gibberish in Z304 stems from the quick solving of Z408. I don't think he was capable of creating a proper encryption; Z408 shows the simplicity of his "cipher". If he was mentally ill, he would have been enraged when Z408 was decrypted, so what better way to get back at and re-captivate your "audience" than throw something out there in the style of Z408 but not? I can imagine him screaming, "Okay you f'ers, let's see you solve this!" Some of it would have solvable elements, to keep people from losing interest, but then the rest would be gobbledygook thus restoring his sense of superiority, as people rack their brains out for the next several decades trying to decipher Z304.

Sullivan's hospitalization for bi-polar/schizophrenia, coupled with the uncanny resemblance to the police sketch, his ties to Albany and then Riverside College, would lead me to name him as my only suspect. I'm surprised he was never questioned by law enforcement. What's even more surprising to me is that there is very little information about him online. He supposedly died in '77, but has that ever been confirmed?

Sky Soldier 10SFG(A) wrote:Quite a few of the History Channel shows are over for me, before they begin. I analogize them to Click Bait on YouTube. The Curse of Oak Island is the one exception for me, because Rick & Marty Lagina are absolute fanatics about the subject. I know Tim Kennedy and, other than the opportunity to travel around the world (which we did in the Army), can't understand why he would want to be a part of that train wreck.

The Zodiac show was one giant disappointment, and I blame the producers. The Carmel "super computer" was a bad Hollywood joke. I liked Bauer's KISS theory on Z340, with the non-ciphered letters and the gibberish. If Bauer's decryption is correct, I'm not the least bit surprised that Zodiac didn't include his name but rather that of President Nixon's. If I were to give my opinion of Zodiac's profile, I would have to say he is/was a mentally ill, cowardly, unimaginative, raging egoist who never got any kind of validation from anyone. Military? If he was, he never served out a full term and may have been discharged, due to disciplinary/mental health issues, further reinforcing the non-validation....couldn't even get that right. The boots could have been bought in any Army/Navy store.

My theory for the gibberish in Z304 stems from the quick solving of Z408. I don't think he was capable of creating a proper encryption; Z408 shows the simplicity of his "cipher". If he was mentally ill, he would have been enraged when Z408 was decrypted, so what better way to get back at and re-captivate your "audience" than throw something out there in the style of Z408 but not? I can imagine him screaming, "Okay you f'ers, let's see you solve this!" Some of it would have solvable elements, to keep people from losing interest, but then the rest would be gobbledygook thus restoring his sense of superiority, as people rack their brains out for the next several decades trying to decipher Z304.

Sullivan's hospitalization for bi-polar/schizophrenia, coupled with the uncanny resemblance to the police sketch, his ties to Albany and then Riverside College, would lead me to name him as my only suspect. I'm surprised he was never questioned by law enforcement. What's even more surprising to me is that there is very little information about him online. He supposedly died in '77, but has that ever been confirmed?

I agree, especially about the ciphers. If you take his first cipher as an introduction to his capabilities then you have to think they were limited. It isn't logical to think he made some great leap forward in his coding between the 408 and 340 ciphers. Putting gibberish in would suit his sense of humor but it also would underscore that he wasn't much of a cryptographer to begin with.

The Carmel computer is interesting to me because of what it should have been capable of doing (decoding 340 successfully or at least coming up with a potential solution). If it didn't even deliver a partial solution and it has the computing power it is advertised to have it could indicate there is "no there there", in other words 340 is at best a partial cipher.

I sent an email to the History Channel asking them to look into Fred Manalli for season 2 and possibly try to get a DNA sample from his sister. I believe it is Manalli's DNA that they have on file... I also asked them to look at Randall Clemons' work with the Phillips 66 map and 340 overlay. I think that is brilliant and deserves more attention.

ophion1031 wrote:I sent an email to the History Channel asking them to look into Fred Manalli for season 2 and possibly try to get a DNA sample from his sister. I believe it is Manalli's DNA that they have on file... I also asked them to look at Randall Clemons' work with the Phillips 66 map and 340 overlay. I think that is brilliant and deserves more attention.

If someone was really going to look into Fred as a Z suspect, I think the first assumption would have to be that he had a partner, because he definitely does not match the descriptions from PH or BRS. He's much too tall. So, the first two places I would suggest they look would be: Are there any Z suspects Fred could have met when he worked at the prison, and the other would be, if Fred owned the houses he lived at during the time of Z, who was his realtor? The deeds/abstracts for those properties should exist somewhere, and it might be possible to identify the title companies, and perhaps from there, backtrack to the realtor.

Longshot, of course, but as awesome as it would be, tying Fred to the Z writings through DNA would only solve half the puzzle IMHO.

Marshall wrote:

ophion1031 wrote:I sent an email to the History Channel asking them to look into Fred Manalli for season 2 and possibly try to get a DNA sample from his sister. I believe it is Manalli's DNA that they have on file... I also asked them to look at Randall Clemons' work with the Phillips 66 map and 340 overlay. I think that is brilliant and deserves more attention.

If someone was really going to look into Fred as a Z suspect, I think the first assumption would have to be that he had a partner, because he definitely does not match the descriptions from PH or BRS. He's much too tall. So, the first two places I would suggest they look would be: Are there any Z suspects Fred could have met when he worked at the prison, and the other would be, if Fred owned the houses he lived at during the time of Z, who was his realtor? The deeds/abstracts for those properties should exist somewhere, and it might be possible to identify the title companies, and perhaps from there, backtrack to the realtor.

Longshot, of course, but as awesome as it would be, tying Fred to the Z writings through DNA would only solve half the puzzle IMHO.

Fred did not own any real estate, he and his wife rented. That is something that has already been looked into. Are you thinking about the personals ad that was in the Chronicle where it said "your partner is in deep real estate"? I believe deep real estate refers to being dead and buried, like six feet under the ground or bought the farm.

Seagull wrote:

Marshall wrote:

ophion1031 wrote:I sent an email to the History Channel asking them to look into Fred Manalli for season 2 and possibly try to get a DNA sample from his sister. I believe it is Manalli's DNA that they have on file... I also asked them to look at Randall Clemons' work with the Phillips 66 map and 340 overlay. I think that is brilliant and deserves more attention.

If someone was really going to look into Fred as a Z suspect, I think the first assumption would have to be that he had a partner, because he definitely does not match the descriptions from PH or BRS. He's much too tall. So, the first two places I would suggest they look would be: Are there any Z suspects Fred could have met when he worked at the prison, and the other would be, if Fred owned the houses he lived at during the time of Z, who was his realtor? The deeds/abstracts for those properties should exist somewhere, and it might be possible to identify the title companies, and perhaps from there, backtrack to the realtor.

Longshot, of course, but as awesome as it would be, tying Fred to the Z writings through DNA would only solve half the puzzle IMHO.

Fred did not own any real estate, he and his wife rented. That is something that has already been looked into. Are you thinking about the personals ad that was in the Chronicle where it said "your partner is in deep real estate"? I believe deep real estate refers to being dead and buried, like six feet under the ground or bought the farm.

Agreed and means they kick the bucket to me to use another phrase.