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Seagull wrote:

Zresearch wrote:

Her family and Harvey Hines (a former detective who researched her case) created it post late-1997 after the area code change to (530). They were active in South Lake Tahoe at the time doing research and working with the SLTPD.

Probably in 2001: https://www.tahoedailytribune.com/news/ ... years-ago/

Wait, so the lass family and Harvey Hines created a missing person poster for donna with a cipher included on it?

Yes, Donna's sister and nephew created it. As has been said about the poster, the area code in the phone number did not exist until 1997, the reward amount was quite high to have been offered back in the 70s, the typical reward back then would have been in the $500-$1000 range and I believe it was Glurk who noticed the font of the text on the poster was a font found on something that was computer generated.

Harvey Hines suspect was Larry Cane, Larry Cane live in the South Lake Tahoe area at that time and until his death.

The lass family and Harvey Hines created a missing person flyer for Donna which included a cipher, which when decoded leads one from the casino where Donna disappeared to donner pass?

Is it just me or does this seem a bit morbid and disrespectful? Specially for family to perpetrate...

I fully believe you, it just seems like a bizarre thing for family to do...

R Vance wrote:So much for the five episode thing, huh?

Rename it "The Curse of the Hunt for the Zodiac Killer."

The 340 code thing seems to be pretty meaningless at this point.

The DNA evidence will be the key if these crimes will ever be solved. It will be interesting to see if the DNA at the Bates murder matches the supposed DNA from the known Zodiac crimes. If it's a match, that would certainly strengthen the case that the DNA from the letters is Zodiac's. Then if a DNA profile for Ross Sullivan could be obtained, or at least that of a close relative, he could either be excluded or confirmed as Zodiac.

Anyway, I can see this being dragged on for years like Oak Island.

Yup, I can see this getting dragged out into 5 or more seasons...

I like the show. (And I like the oak island show) I just hate these big build ups and promises that turn out to be nothing, I mean, it would be fine I'd they did not promise some groundbreaking discovery each week, I would still watch. The announcer or narrator whatever he is, drives me crazy.

Honestly, I think they should put you guys in charge of the show. People from this site have actually made more progress than most other independent investigations, they should at least take guidance from you guys.

I'm assuming they edited out the part where sal and tatman show the theatre guy a picture of Ross and Kane to see if one of them looked like the weirdo he was talking about? I mean, they did show pictures,right?

egan wrote:I'm assuming they edited out the part where sal and tatman show the theatre guy a picture of Ross and Kane to see if one of them looked like the weirdo he was talking about? I mean, they did show pictures,right?

Theatre Guy: I have that weirdo's face seared into my memory.

Sal & Mains: If only there was a way to check this guy's memory against pictures of our "suspects" from that time period. Oh well.

Just like in all TV shows, there's definitely a lot of editing, staging, dramatised parts and cut corners going on in the show which makes the "investigation" look really unorganised and vague. In oroduction there's always so much we viewers don't get to see - background work, consultations and just general "boring" bits that don't make for entertaining TV. So I don't think it's really a fair thing to complain about. Naturally, they could have given credit to the discoveries that in fact came from amateur researchers.

I for one am really glad this show's been made. It's giving the case attention again and with right connections and the financial resources of a production company some advances can be made such as the DNA testing of Bates' pants. It's concrete. We viewers can complain but at the end of the day what most of us can offer are quasi-delusional theories and online arguments about our favourite POIs.

I hope there'll be a second season.

P.S. Wonder if the bits in the enhanced version of the show become available somewhere online sometime?

Ultimately underwhelming, though showed promise in episode one.

Bates was the inspired choice to get into the narrative, but by episode 5, our intrepid cold case investigators lose Sullivan completely.

Like many before them, they appeared bogged down into detail which ultimately remained unresolved, and so resulted in a fail, editorially, for what was billed as a 5 part solution for the many who have known and followed these notorious suspects for years.

That the "codebreakers" came in with their own underwhelming conclusions, unfortunately, reinforced what the two field investigators failed to bring out.

As anyone who has spent a week on the 340 knows, you can make it say anything you want for the first 3rd, essentially what the heralded expert did. It is one solution, fair enough, we will give him that, but it can not be the definitive solution because it leaves too much of the ciphertext encoded.

The omission of a timeline of Sullivan's mental state including hospitalization(s), Kane's automobile history and numerous addresses, and the confusing witness testimony regarding height, weight, stockiness or lack thereof, only served to extend questions when the heavily touted "new" DNA evidence gave way to the big empty 'you gotta be kidding.' No cruising backroads near Benecia or Vallejo even mentioned as part of an MO.

Bates fingernails had DNA under them, a comparison to the spatter profile was a no brainer, we HAVE to know that if only to rule in the hypothesis the show's editorial direction takes.

Both Sullivan and Kane cremated, yes? At least tell audience this so we know investigators are aware of the same limitations handicapping anyone in here following along.

Lastly, the handwriting "expert" has to be seen as a joke, because her dubious opinion that the Albany letter, long discounted by other experts, is Z, is left as fact -- weakening the show in it's totality, in a way that cuts into everything else which was presented (which included many red herrings). If the case is about anything it's about handwriting; anyone here who has studied the handwriting can see a "d" or an "r" and know it's Z, but not her, the only expert in her field consulted on camera. No cogent analysis of handwriting was finally presented, and so further controversies about handwriting were also not framed in their correct light.

The Bates info including military footwear was compelling; the Mikado witness who was "in show" in 1969 is previously known but to see him tell that on camera was terrific, as was the archivist of comic books with "by knife" etc. To see that was good stuff.

Without DNA and fingerprints we can trust, to identify Z, we are left with:

1. Handwriting, aided by,
2. Ramifications of Bates ruled as Zodiac victim, leading to
3. The narrative that Ferrin "knew" her attacker.

Sub-narratives
a) military connections
b) Gilbert and Sullivan, other 'popular' culture, concept of Z speaking like a 'foreigner."
c) any ballistics on slugs/weapons so far unrecovered.

I was surprised to see that newspaper photo of Ross and the report on the movie. Is that available online anywhere? It was new to me.

Zresearch wrote:Wait, so the lass family and Harvey Hines created a missing person poster for donna with a cipher included on it?

seagull wrote:Yes, Donna's sister and nephew created it. As has been said about the poster, the area code in the phone number did not exist until 1997, the reward amount was quite high to have been offered back in the 70s, the typical reward back then would have been in the $500-$1000 range and I believe it was Glurk who noticed the font of the text on the poster was a font found on something that was computer generated.

Harvey Hines suspect was Larry Cane, Larry Cane live in the South Lake Tahoe area at that time and until his death.

Zresearch wrote:The lass family and Harvey Hines created a missing person flyer for Donna which included a cipher, which when decoded leads one from the casino where Donna disappeared to donner pass?

Is it just me or does this seem a bit morbid and disrespectful? Specially for family to perpetrate...

I fully believe you, it just seems like a bizarre thing for family to do...

That was NOT decoded properly. How on Earth anyone could come up with those directions from that, well...

Someone most certainly looked at google maps, or made the trek themselves, then appointed what they found to the code work. I think the code was created for attention to Donna's case and a possible Zodiac link. Nothing more.

This is the proposed "solution" to the Donna Lass Reward Poster that was made by someone many years ago, so long ago I don't recall who proposed it, I know it wasn't me! There are three unsolved symbols, two are the same symbol. It was thought at the time that the three symbols stood for the word YOU with the first letter in the word deliberately misspelled to mimic Zodiac's misspellings in the Z408.

Certainly symbols 8-16 in the second line spell Donna Lass.

Indeed, already some interesting discussion about that in 2012..the 'beware' solution is not complete, however it might at least partially correct.



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