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Re: Reasoning out Ross Sullivan

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:50 pm
by morf13
TomVoigt wrote:Morf, we have been over this several times. Ross went off my radar after I met with Napa County in 1998 and was told he was ruled out, I believe because he was in a mental hospital at the time of the Berryessa attack. Then about a year ago I started going over my old notes in preparation for a podcast, and that refreshed me on the Ross situation. I'm ok with people not believing me. That aside, the library workers were told by police that he had an alibi for Bates. Which is problematic and has nothing to do with me or my research.


Yeah, I get where you are coming from. But, I have info that I know I got directly from 2 people saying just the opposite that Ross wasn't even in their POI index let alone as being ruled out. I trust stuff I see on paper I guess more than 20 year old memories,but I'm sure we all do.

Re: Reasoning out Ross Sullivan

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:01 pm
by TomVoigt
morf13 wrote:I don't want to re-hash or go back thru it, but I seem to recall that the term 'genetic genealogy was about to be started' or something along those lines was used


I never made any public claim regarding 'genetic genealogy was about to be started'.

I also never claimed it was Zodiac's DNA that was obtained, or that he would be identified soon.

Hopefully I won't ever misquote you in a way that makes you look completely unreliable. But if I do, I'll correct it.

Re: Reasoning out Ross Sullivan

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:08 pm
by CuriousCat
morf13 wrote: I have info that I know I got directly from 2 people saying just the opposite that Ross wasn't even in their POI index let alone as being ruled out.


Maybe Napa never considered him a POI because another jurisdiction had already made record of him being in a mental institution at the time.

Re: Reasoning out Ross Sullivan

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:20 pm
by Zapoleon
TomVoigt wrote:
morf13 wrote:I don't want to re-hash or go back thru it, but I seem to recall that the term 'genetic genealogy was about to be started' or something along those lines was used


I never made any public claim regarding 'genetic genealogy was about to be started'.

I also never claimed it was Zodiac's DNA that was obtained, or that he would be identified soon.

Hopefully I won't ever misquote you in a way that makes you look completely unreliable. But if I do, I'll correct it.


You certainly alluded to it happening saying it was your gut feeling the genetic genealogy was happening right now. Of course you back tracked and deleted all those claims however that doesnt mean you never made them.

I guess we all misunderstood you musta been talking about Jack the rippers DNA when you posted all those threads on Reddit claiming they had obtained Zodiac DNA.

Re: Reasoning out Ross Sullivan

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:32 pm
by TomVoigt
Zapoleon wrote:You certainly alluded to it happening saying it was your gut feeling the genetic genealogy was happening right now. Of course you back tracked and deleted all those claims however that doesnt mean you never made them. I guess we all misunderstood you musta been talking about Jack the rippers DNA when you posted all those threads on Reddit claiming they had obtained Zodiac DNA.


You mentioned reddit, I bet you fit right in over there.

What I posted was: "THEY GOT DNA -- GAME ON." Which is a true statement, as DNA was in fact obtained from the Zodiac evidence that was submitted to the lab.

However, I never claimed the DNA definitely belonged to the Zodiac. I have a feeling that will go over your head, so allow me to explain: Believe it or not, just because DNA is obtained from evidence items, it doesn't automatically mean the DNA belongs to the bad guy.

And I never claimed an identification would be made soon.

Troll on!

Re: Reasoning out Ross Sullivan

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:16 pm
by CharlesR
I think you better get back to work catching the Zodiac. He is still a free man.

Re: Reasoning out Ross Sullivan

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:29 pm
by jacob
TomVoigt wrote:
Zapoleon wrote:You certainly alluded to it happening saying it was your gut feeling the genetic genealogy was happening right now. Of course you back tracked and deleted all those claims however that doesnt mean you never made them. I guess we all misunderstood you musta been talking about Jack the rippers DNA when you posted all those threads on Reddit claiming they had obtained Zodiac DNA.


You mentioned reddit, I bet you fit right in over there.

What I posted was: "THEY GOT DNA -- GAME ON." Which is a true statement, as DNA was in fact obtained from the Zodiac evidence that was submitted to the lab.

However, I never claimed the DNA definitely belonged to the Zodiac. I have a feeling that will go over your head, so allow me to explain: Believe it or not, just because DNA is obtained from evidence items, it doesn't automatically mean the DNA belongs to the bad guy.

And I never claimed an identification would be made soon.

Troll on!


But from the back of the stamps right? I'm clinging onto optimism that they have something to work with.

Re: Reasoning out Ross Sullivan

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:43 pm
by TomVoigt
jacob wrote:But from the back of the stamps right? I'm clinging onto optimism that they have something to work with.


I believe so, but don't know for sure. I'm lucky to be told anything, so I don't like to press it.

Re: Reasoning out Ross Sullivan

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:06 pm
by CharlesR
Twenty years ago if there are were no police departments that had Ross on their radar it figures that they wouldn't have any evidence on him whatsoever. The most evidence on Ross is right here on this web sight. So if Ross is the Zodiac it would be a great day for Morf. He discovered Sullivan as a suspect. And it looks like this may be nearing the end of the investigation.

Re: Reasoning out Ross Sullivan

PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:08 pm
by CharlesR
There are a number of Zodiac websites that are online. The Zodiac Killer Site is by far the best Zodiac website. Morf has done his homework and it shows.