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billbrasky wrote:With the Latest Shepherd knew Bates info and the mental hospital being across from the restaurant both women frequented. There is so much pointing at Ross Sullivan.

I haven't proven that Bates and Shepard knew each other. But if you want to take my word for that anyway, then you also need to take my word for Sullivan being under lock and key for the Berryessa attack.

morf13 wrote:

Spiderhawk wrote:half the boys in that photo look like the Z sketch!

But Ross is the only one in that photo(and only Zodiac suspect) confirmed to be in the RCC library where Zodiac's writing was found

Zodiac's writing was not found in the library. Please step perpetuating that myth.

Chaucer wrote:

morf13 wrote:

Spiderhawk wrote:half the boys in that photo look like the Z sketch!

But Ross is the only one in that photo(and only Zodiac suspect) confirmed to be in the RCC library where Zodiac's writing was found

Zodiac's writing was not found in the library. Please step perpetuating that myth.

There are always professionals to argue every side, as was the case with the writing on the desk.

It's not a fact and that is fact.

TomVoigt wrote:

billbrasky wrote:With the Latest Shepherd knew Bates info and the mental hospital being across from the restaurant both women frequented. There is so much pointing at Ross Sullivan.

I haven't proven that Bates and Shepard knew each other. But if you want to take my word for that anyway, then you also need to take my word for Sullivan being under lock and key for the Berryessa attack.

Please provide more details about Ross' confinement Tom !

Tahoe27 wrote:
There are always professionals to argue every side, as was the case with the writing on the desk.

It's not a fact and that is fact.

You're right, it's not a fact. Just because you believe something to be true doesn't make it true and vice versa. When law enforcement officially connects CJB with Zodiac or officially links the desktop poem to him, then that's different. Unfortunately, Morf - one of the most respected voices in true crime and the Zodiac case specifically - chooses to stir up the already muddied waters of this case by presenting supposition and conjecture and speculation as facts that should be taken for granted. In my opinion, that's detrimental to solving this case and confuses those new to it.

I meant no disrespect, but let's be as grounded to the standards of factual investigation as much as possible.

Chaucer wrote:Unfortunately, Morf - one of the most respected voices in true crime and the Zodiac case specifically - chooses to stir up the already muddied waters of this case by presenting supposition and conjecture and speculation as facts that should be taken for granted.

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Do you even understand this case?

It's not opinion, and not spreading false information. The possible link has been established by LE for over 40 years. Most experts at the very lest acknowledge the link is a very real possibility. And at the lowest level, there are many visual comparisons that clearly show strong similarities. The link to the Riverside writing is part of the Z case, RS or not.

As for Ross, no more of that writing ever turned up in Riverside after Ross left town in 1967.

Yes, I understand this case.

However, I'm not sure you understand the difference between "possible" and "factual". Sure, there is some evidence suggesting a link, but nothing that has been definitive, and yet, Morf and others just go ahead and talk as if CBJ was 100% a Zodiac crime - as if law enforcement had declared it so. They have not.

It remains just that. "Possible".

So, yes, I think it's problematic when respected members of this community make statements that aren't factual, but present them as so. It confuses new people to the case and, I believe, hurtful to finding the guy.

Chaucer wrote:Morf and others just go ahead and talk as if CBJ was 100% a Zodiac crime - as if law enforcement had declared it so. They have not.

Show us one single example of Morf claiming CJB was 100% Zodiac.......

Waiting.... You can't do it can you.

Now your claim is bogus, and now you are "presenting supposition and conjecture and speculation as facts."

Now that's disrespectful.

morf13 wrote:
But Ross is the only one in that photo(and only Zodiac suspect) confirmed to be in the RCC library where Zodiac's writing was found

This is what I was referring to. Morf states that Zodiac's writing was found in the RCC library. That's not been confirmed, and I believe it's irresponsible to state so.

Also, I suggest you switch to decaf.

Zodiac WRITING. Not CJB, try again.

If you have an issue with speculation, you might want to stay off these boards, that's what goes on here.

If you worry that noobs might hear about CJB, it's too late. It's on the Z Wiki page, a major film from 2007 mentioned it.... and so on.

I would worry more that if you type Zodiac into google, you get bad info about Gary Stewart's dad and Ted Cruz.
The general media is pushing way worse information.