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Re: Dick Lonergan's alleged Sullivan Alibi

PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:52 am
by TomVoigt
I have the report but no idea where in storage it is. If you want it, I'd ask Howard.

Re: Dick Lonergan's alleged Sullivan Alibi

PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:04 am
by Paul_Averly
TomVoigt wrote:I have the report but no idea where in storage it is. If you want it, I'd ask Howard.


TomVoigt wrote:February 2018, which was eight months before I started preparing for the first episode of Murder Basement and reviewing my info from 1998.


In Oct. 2018 (5 months ago) you had this report and now it's in storage with no way to locate it?

Re: Dick Lonergan's alleged Sullivan Alibi

PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:53 am
by TomVoigt
Paul_Averly wrote:
TomVoigt wrote:I have the report but no idea where in storage it is. If you want it, I'd ask Howard.


TomVoigt wrote:February 2018, which was eight months before I started preparing for the first episode of Murder Basement and reviewing my info from 1998.


In Oct. 2018 (5 months ago) you had this report and now it's in storage with no way to locate it?


What are you talking about? I never said I had it five months ago. I haven't seen it in years.

Re: Dick Lonergan's alleged Sullivan Alibi

PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:45 pm
by morf13
TomVoigt wrote:I'm sure I posted more than just that about Ross being eliminated. Now I'm curious. I'll search tomorrow.

Morf, I know you were in touch with Ken Narlow, didn't you ever ask him about Ross? He would have remembered that Ross got looked at, I would think.

I remember vividly Lonergan's reaction when I mentioned Ross, he stood up shaking his head and immediately began tucking the back of his shirt in. I remember that detail because a boss of mine used to do the exact same thing when he would stand up from his desk.


I talked to him before I went back to re-look at suspects including Ross. We did talk about a few names in the reports, Ross wasn't one of them

Re: Dick Lonergan's alleged Sullivan Alibi

PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:47 pm
by morf13
Chaucer wrote:
Paul_Averly wrote:This claim about Ross being locked up on the LB date is bogus, and we will never see anything to back it up because it is fabricated. Simple as that.

Just because you don't want the info to be true, doesn't make bogus.

The goal should be finding the killer, not waving the banner of a favored suspect.


As I said, I trust documented reports over memories (I know my memory isn't what it used to be)...but seeing is believing

Re: Dick Lonergan's alleged Sullivan Alibi

PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:51 pm
by TomVoigt
morf13 wrote:
Chaucer wrote:
Paul_Averly wrote:This claim about Ross being locked up on the LB date is bogus, and we will never see anything to back it up because it is fabricated. Simple as that.

Just because you don't want the info to be true, doesn't make bogus.

The goal should be finding the killer, not waving the banner of a favored suspect.


As I said, I trust documented reports over memories (I know my memory isn't what it used to be)...but seeing is believing


I usually would as well, but I did document my conversation. I used to use a red sharpie and a spiral notebook. I also used to print out all of my e-mail because I didn't know how to make a text file.

I'm not going to upload scans of my handwriting to "prove" what someone could just claim I created today, faked it, or of course, that Lonergan was mistaken, had Ross confused with someone else, etc. (Which might have been possible although it didn't seem like it.)

Re: Dick Lonergan's alleged Sullivan Alibi

PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:57 pm
by Paul_Averly
morf13 wrote:As I said, I trust documented reports over memories (I know my memory isn't what it used to be)...but seeing is believing


Don't mean to come off as demanding, but we need more proof than just hearsay.

This report shows that Napa and RPD were compairing prints lifted from both scenes, nothing about lists of suspects.
http://zodiackiller.com/RiversideMemo3.html

And that's the issue. Did Napa really investigate all the suspects tied to the CJB case? A list that might have numbered in the hundreds.
(What was Bob Barnett's Alibi for LB?)

If this investigation did happen, and they managed to so thoroughly find Ross and verify where he was on a specific date, why is there no reference of that today?

However, there is one more tantalizing aspect to this. Many of us have suspected Ross spent time at Napa State Hospital. If reports from Napa can verify this, even with the possibility he was there on the LB date, it would still place Ross in the middle of more Z crime locations.

He must at the very least be Z's shadow. RCC Library, a connection to CJB, a connection to SF in 1969, and now a stay in a hospital in the middle of LHR, BRS and LB, with a possibility his stay was summer '69....
Too many coincidences to ignore.

Re: Dick Lonergan's alleged Sullivan Alibi

PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:34 pm
by TomVoigt
Has anyone used Classmates.com to get info from people who knew Ross? Every high school has its own discussion forum sorted by year graduated. At least it used to be that way. Back in 2001 I used it a ton. I think they also have that feature for colleges.

Re: Dick Lonergan's alleged Sullivan Alibi

PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:40 am
by morf13
TomVoigt wrote:Has anyone used Classmates.com to get info from people who knew Ross? Every high school has its own discussion forum sorted by year graduated. At least it used to be that way. Back in 2001 I used it a ton. I think they also have that feature for colleges.


I reached out to several classmates

Re: Dick Lonergan's alleged Sullivan Alibi

PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:42 am
by morf13
Paul_Averly wrote:
morf13 wrote:As I said, I trust documented reports over memories (I know my memory isn't what it used to be)...but seeing is believing


Don't mean to come off as demanding, but we need more proof than just hearsay.

This report shows that Napa and RPD were compairing prints lifted from both scenes, nothing about lists of suspects.
http://zodiackiller.com/RiversideMemo3.html

And that's the issue. Did Napa really investigate all the suspects tied to the CJB case? A list that might have numbered in the hundreds.
(What was Bob Barnett's Alibi for LB?)

If this investigation did happen, and they managed to so thoroughly find Ross and verify where he was on a specific date, why is there no reference of that today?

However, there is one more tantalizing aspect to this. Many of us have suspected Ross spent time at Napa State Hospital. If reports from Napa can verify this, even with the possibility he was there on the LB date, it would still place Ross in the middle of more Z crime locations.

He must at the very least be Z's shadow. RCC Library, a connection to CJB, a connection to SF in 1969, and now a stay in a hospital in the middle of LHR, BRS and LB, with a possibility his stay was summer '69....
Too many coincidences to ignore.


Is this verified?