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Re: Dick Lonergan's alleged Sullivan Alibi

PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:35 pm
by Paul_Averly
Who would ever question a story that keeps changing and doesn't add up?

Before is was: "Sullivan had been ruled out. I believe he said it was via fingerprints."
Now changed to: Ross was locked up on a specific day...


Researchers in 1998 didn't know anything close to what we know about Ross and have gathered on this site in the past 5 years.
Funny thing is that we DID find evidence Ross was locked up, but that was after 1970. No one questions that Ross was in and out of mental facilities.

However, in 2019, this new claim comes out that Ross was locked up for LB, and it wasn't even mentioned here, on the site that covers Ross the most.
A member here pointed it out, and we simply ask for proof.

Provide documentation, or at the very least, proof that this information was posted to any board in the past 25 years as was also claimed.
The story has already changed a few times on the very thread....

Re: Dick Lonergan's alleged Sullivan Alibi

PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 4:06 pm
by TomVoigt
The story has changed?

I have already explained that late last year I reviewed all of my old material from 1998 in preparation for my first podcast. It's called a refreshed memory, but think what you want.

Re: Dick Lonergan's alleged Sullivan Alibi

PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:11 pm
by Druzer
According to a trusted source, police disqualified Sullivan as a Zodiac suspect because either his whereabouts were confirmed or his freedom was confirmed to have been significantly restricted on a known date of Zodiac activity. Whether that date was the day of the Lake Berryessa attack or which facility he was verified by police to have resided in shouldn't really matter. Obviously Sullivan was not a prisoner so if the intel was just that he was a patient at a come-and-go-as-you-please facility at that time that would not be proof of his movements. If Sullivan had access to a car or motorcycle or the facility was near the location of the known Zodiac activity in question it would just prompt further inquiries. In that situation I would assume that the Police would have confirmed that he did not have a car or that restrictions imposed by the facility ensured that Sullivan did not have the means to commit the Zodiac activity known to have occurred on that day - otherwise his residency is a mere factoid. Of course no one is infallible but in my opinion the intel would not have been relayed to Tom as an alibi if his source was not satisfied that it eliminated Sullivan as a Zodiac suspect. If you choose to believe the police were inept in their investigation of Sullivan or dishonest in their exchange with Tom or that Tom has not been sincerely trying to learn the identity of the Zodiac killer for the last twenty years that of course is up to you. I do apologize however for the length and tediousness of this post!

Re: Dick Lonergan's alleged Sullivan Alibi

PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:25 pm
by Paul_Averly
Druzer wrote:Whether that date was the day of the Lake Berryessa attack or which facility he was verified by police to have resided in shouldn't really matter.


So the date he was locked up doesn't matter? And we can safely clear him as being Z based on that?
Being locked up in 1964 would clear him for a crime that occurred in 1969?

The claim is not just any date, but the day of the LB attack. This is very specific.
You guys can go round and round all you want, but until we see some documents that confirm any of this, no one is going to buy it.

Re: Dick Lonergan's alleged Sullivan Alibi

PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:27 pm
by Druzer
According to me it doesn't matter because a law enforcement official apparently considered that the information excluded Sullivan as a Zodiac suspect.

Re: Dick Lonergan's alleged Sullivan Alibi

PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:31 pm
by TomVoigt
Druzer wrote:the information excluded Sullivan as a Zodiac suspect.


As well as the Bates killer, according to the librarians in Riverside.

Re: Dick Lonergan's alleged Sullivan Alibi

PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:32 pm
by Paul_Averly
TomVoigt wrote:I have a report with his name, that's how I knew he existed. It was handwritten along with another name and some notes. Don't know who wrote it, though.


How about you upload this and we try and figure out who wrote it?

Re: Dick Lonergan's alleged Sullivan Alibi

PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:40 pm
by Druzer
As civilians I don't think any of us should feel entitled to see any documents about this case and incidentally none of us have much hope in securing much more. It is a privilege. I think it is quite astounding how much we do have - thanks Tom!

Re: Dick Lonergan's alleged Sullivan Alibi

PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:12 pm
by TomVoigt
Druzer wrote:As civilians I don't think any of us should feel entitled to see any documents about this case and incidentally none of us have much hope in securing much more. It is a privilege. I think it is quite astounding how much we do have - thanks Tom!


:D

Re: Dick Lonergan's alleged Sullivan Alibi

PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:27 pm
by Paul_Averly
Druzer wrote:As civilians I don't think any of us should feel entitled to see any documents about this case and incidentally none of us have much hope in securing much more. It is a privilege. I think it is quite astounding how much we do have - thanks Tom!


Even though there are countless sites on the web, and countless published police reports from the Z case, we are now all "civilians" and shouldn't see any documents. Lets just blindly clear any and every suspect.

This claim about Ross being locked up on the LB date is bogus, and we will never see anything to back it up because it is fabricated. Simple as that.