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Re: Schizophrenic gait "Shuffling lope, bent forward, head d

PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:06 am
by Skyward
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"Zodiac did not appear delusional, he did not appear confused or out of touch with reality, he appeared as a person who was calculating, organized, and who knew exactly what he was doing."

I do not mean to come off as rude in any way, but I feel the more people that you know who are actually schizophrenic, the harder it would be for you to accept that zodiac suffered from this same condition. They don't seem fitting at all.[/quote]

I submit Zodiac was quite delusional as his writings of grandure show us. Zodiac profile includes psychosis.

Did the above posted documentary clash with any of your knowledge and direct experience?

Re: Schizophrenic gait "Shuffling lope, bent forward, head d

PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:13 am
by Skyward
solvethemystery wrote:
Skyward wrote:
Looking for more handwriting from our suspect, knowing Z had some form of psychosis...


Here's an interesting 1969 news article in which William F. Baker, a handwriting analyst who held a masters in psychology and abnormal psychology concluded that Zodiac: "is unquestionably paranoid and schizophrenic."

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Yes, and relevant to discussion of psychosis.

Re: Schizophrenic gait "Shuffling lope, bent forward, head d

PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:32 am
by solvethemystery
Skyward wrote:
Tahoe27 wrote:
Skyward wrote:We assume no medical diagnosis in commentary herein, that said, it has been openly speculated throughout the forum, with supporting factoids, this suspect was indeed treated as a patient with onset schizophrenic behaviors.

It is at the top of many lists to lock this.


Ross = fact. He was treated as a schizophrenic.

Zodiac = assumptions. By some. Until they catch the guy, it's all a guess and many assumptions are based off of what may be writing based off of Zodiac's smoke and mirrors.


Is this from P.I. notes elsewhere in forum, I was not sure that was ultimately conclusive based on some members questioning...?


Morf13 posted the following in 2015: viewtopic.php?f=109&t=2300

"We verified that Ross was a paranoid schizophrenic who had been in mental institutions at various times. In 1973, a mental conservatorship was put in place for Ross in Santa Cruz. This meant that due to his mental illness, Ross could no longer take care of himself. Ross died of natural causes in 1977 in Santa Cruz, CA."

Re: Schizophrenic gait "Shuffling lope, bent forward, head d

PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:06 pm
by Tahoe27
Yes, skyward. His brother confirmed it with me, calling him a "paranoid schizophrenic".

Re: Schizophrenic gait "Shuffling lope, bent forward, head d

PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:41 pm
by egan
For what it's worth, I have always walked with a shuffling, bent over gait and my head down. People have taken the piss out of me all my life over it. I'm not schizophrenic. I do have mild aspergers. One of my grown up sons has always had hand tremors since child hood.he also is not schizophrenic, but does have adhd and aspergers traits. No one is disputing Ross was schizophrenic, but was zodiac? Finding a suspect that had mental health issues doesn't guarantee we've got our man, we need a lot more than that. Also, if I thought people assumed I was schizophrenic just because of the way I walked I'd be well pissed off

Re: Schizophrenic gait "Shuffling lope, bent forward, head d

PostPosted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:46 pm
by MMSox
egan wrote:For what it's worth, I have always walked with a shuffling, bent over gait and my head down. People have taken the piss out of me all my life over it. I'm not schizophrenic. I do have mild aspergers. One of my grown up sons has always had hand tremors since child hood.he also is not schizophrenic, but does have adhd and aspergers traits. No one is disputing Ross was schizophrenic, but was zodiac? Finding a suspect that had mental health issues doesn't guarantee we've got our man, we need a lot more than that. Also, if I thought people assumed I was schizophrenic just because of the way I walked I'd be well pissed off

My great grandma and I have had shaky hands our entire lives. People always go to the extreme in wondering about the cause. I can understand why people would take Zodiac’s hunched, lumbering walk AND his shaky hands in this direction. It could be a solid link for Ross being Zodiac given he was a confirmed schizophrenic.