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Skyward wrote:And lets not forget this from within the thread circa 2015, Mr. Sullivan with guns blazing....

It's also interesting that in the 1958 talent show skit and 1959 student Deja Vive film, Ross is associated with violence (guns and murder, respectively). It seems he gravitated toward play acting violent scenes before any documented psychiatric institutionalizations.

And you never see Ross smile in those high school photos. An early lead indicator of the developing onset of schizophrenia is a blank facial expression.

solvethemystery wrote:Zodiac gives us another clue to his schizophrenic mental illness in the Cheri Jo Bates confession letter: "I AM NOT SICK. I AM INSANE. BUT THAT WILL NOT STOP THE GAME."

Do any of you guys actually know any schizophrenics?

But first, I think zodiac was saying I am not mentally ill, I am not a sick person, meaning he was not affected by a debilitating mental condition, he was "insane" meaning that he was simply a violent, angry, and homicidal individual.

My sisters husbands brother is schizophrenic, and I have been dealing with those who are affected by schizophrenia for quite some time.

I think it is ridiculous to suggest that zodiac was schizophrenic.

Most schizophrenics can have issues just holding normal conversation with others, they have difficulty holding jobs, and have issues with generating and executing complex plans. they have issues with organization and foresight, and their hallucinations and delusions coupled with rapid emotional change would make executing these crimes, and not slipping up or not getting caught, very very very difficult for a true schizophrenic. Also, as a result of their illness obtaining and owning a gun would be quite difficult. Also having the freedom and time to commit these crimes does not seem fitting for a schizophrenic.

...and while yes, most schizophrenics have obsessions with symbols, I do not see the cipher work, or the letters, being the work of a schizophrenic.

Zresearch wrote:

solvethemystery wrote:Zodiac gives us another clue to his schizophrenic mental illness in the Cheri Jo Bates confession letter: "I AM NOT SICK. I AM INSANE. BUT THAT WILL NOT STOP THE GAME."

I think it is ridiculous to suggest that zodiac was schizophrenic.

The gait issues of Zodiac suggest otherwise. They are consistent with the gait of a schizophrenic.

Zresearch wrote:...would make executing these crimes, and not slipping up or not getting caught, very very very difficult for a true schizophrenic. Also, as a result of their illness obtaining and owning a gun would be quite difficult. Also having the freedom and time to commit these crimes does not seem fitting for a schizophrenic.

In 2017, absolutely correct. In the mid-late 60s, not so much. PDs didn’t work together like now, wasn’t dna, guns could be purchased by mail, there wasn’t as many meds, oversight, etc. He was able to take advantage of the times.

solvethemystery wrote:

Zresearch wrote:

solvethemystery wrote:Zodiac gives us another clue to his schizophrenic mental illness in the Cheri Jo Bates confession letter: "I AM NOT SICK. I AM INSANE. BUT THAT WILL NOT STOP THE GAME."

I think it is ridiculous to suggest that zodiac was schizophrenic.

The gait issues of Zodiac suggest otherwise. They are consistent with the gait of a schizophrenic.

With all due respect, the way Fouke describes the way Zodiac walked doesn't mean he was schizophrenic. It could mean the guy had a bad knee, sore back...or, that's just the way the guy walked. Might it "suggest" it...ok, but consistent? I think that is a big stretch.

We assume no medical diagnosis in commentary herein, that said, it has been openly speculated throughout the forum, with supporting factoids, this suspect was indeed treated as a patient with onset schizophrenic behaviors.

It is at the top of many lists to lock this.

Skyward wrote:We assume no medical diagnosis in commentary herein, that said, it has been openly speculated throughout the forum, with supporting factoids, this suspect was indeed treated as a patient with onset schizophrenic behaviors.

It is at the top of many lists to lock this.

Ross = fact. He was treated as a schizophrenic.

Zodiac = assumptions. By some. Until they catch the guy, it's all a guess and many assumptions are based off of what may be writing based off of Zodiac's smoke and mirrors.

The youth with the " Guns Blazing" is listed as Ralph Sullivan?????
It's someone else or it's a typo.

Has anyone confirmed that's Ross Sullivan?

He sure looks younger, smaller and skinnier than Ross in the 1959 photo in LA Times, which is 1 year to 18 months from the time this photo was taken.

We also need to remember that the portion of the street where Fouke saw Zodiac walking is slight downhill. That will naturally alter one's gait to some extent (usually to a more "stumbling" direction). So, I don't think too many conclusion should be drawn from that.

On the other hand, it would be interesting to hear if one of the underage witnesses ever mentioned anything about Zodiac's walk. I'm not sure where I read it, but I do remember reading (hopefully it's not something Graysmith or someone made up) that the teenage boy witness did run after Zodiac, and caught a glimpse of him before he turned on Jackson street. This boy would have seen Zodiac walk on even surface.

In Bonus Fides wrote:The youth with the " Guns Blazing" is listed as Ralph Sullivan?????
It's someone else or it's a typo.

Has anyone confirmed that's Ross Sullivan?

He sure looks younger, smaller and skinnier than Ross in the 1959 photo in LA Times, which is 1 year to 18 months from the time this photo was taken.

It's him. He is listed as part of that talent show along with the director of 'Deja Vive' who is not pictured. Typo. No Ralph Sullivan. If dates line up (and the ones here in forum do) he was brand new at school and scored leading role as Bad Billie.