Possibly MAJOR Ross Sullivan writing find in yearbook

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Re: Possibly MAJOR Ross Sullivan writing find in yearbook

Postby ophion1031 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:06 am

AK Wilks wrote:Peterson has had some inconsistent and incorrect information before. I'd like to know where he got the description from, what is the source, it just doesn't match any of the photos we have of Ross Sullivan.

Ross Sullivan's hair is not what I would describe is curly, and none of the pictures depict a reddish brown hair or any type of brown hair. The majority of commentators in here believe, as I do, that most of the pictures depict blonde hair, some of the photographs showing light blonde, some perhaps showing regular blonde.

When Peterson notes the info about Sullivan weighing at least 250 lb, he does not contrast that to the descriptions of Officer Fouke, Mageau and John's that Zodiac weighed 160 - 180 lbs. Rather he goes to what he sees as the most matching and incriminating information, that the supposed study of the depth of footprints revealed that Zodiac could weigh as much as 220 lbs (which is still not 250 - 300 lbs).

I can't speak at all to the validity and accuracy of using the depth of footprints to estimate a person's weight, I've never seen that used in any actual court case and I've never read any actual science to back that up.

I would certainly put much more emphasis on actual witness descriptions of a person's weight, Mageau who saw him up close, John's who sat in the car with him, and most of all two police officers who saw him at a fairly close distance. Those two civilians and two police officers put the height and weight of zodiac at 5'8"- 5'10", and 160 - 180 lbs. That is very inconsistent with Ross Sullivan at 6' 2"and 250 - 300 lbs.

Given with what he did with that information, trying to put it in the most incriminating light, it might be wise to remember that some reports of zodiac hair color involved brown hair, possibly brown hair with the reddish tint, which is what I believe it states on the SFPD wanted poster.

So he puts in a totally unsourced statement, and the statement contradicting known facts, that Sullivan has curly reddish brown hair. Sullivan's Selective Service card stated his hair color was blonde, meaning either he and / or the draft board described it as blonde in color. That matches every known picture of Sullivan, which shows hair color ranging from light blonde to regular blonde, to maybe a slightly sandy blonde. All the known photos show hair that is too short to be described as curly, and it's somewhere on the range of blonde, none of them show brown hair of any type.

Ham Friend I would say the photo display that you put together is more persuasive to me that perhaps the man getting makeup in the photograph is in fact Ross Sullivan. The photos show more similarity in face structure then I noticed previously.

But those same photos reinforce to me even more that Sullivan had light blonde to regular blonde hair, short not curly. If that is indeed Sullivan in the chair getting a fake black mustache applied, that black hair is simply not his, As it does not match, at all, any photograph of Sullivan.

When I was younger my hair would change colors from reddish/light brown to blonde. It was like that pretty much until I was in my mid-20's. My hair was always curly when I grew it out, so it is possible that Ross had curly hair if he grew it out a bit. Unfortunately we only have older pics to go on and nothing beyong high school.
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Re: Possibly MAJOR Ross Sullivan writing find in yearbook

Postby Ham Friend » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:39 pm

morf13 wrote:
Tahoe27 wrote:Because that is how black and white photographs work with different shades of blond hair. The paperwork filled out was quite descriptive...hair included.


How can any of us really tell accurately what color anybody's hair is in a black & white photo. Remember, people can fill out whatever they want on a document, driver's license, etc. Doesn't mean it's accurate. Either way, what difference does it make if Ross's hair was brown, blonde, or red, or a combo of them? If it's to compare to the hair in Cheri's hand that's fine, but if it was to compare to Zodiac's in SF, it's mentioned in the description that the hair color may have been either or and the light may have been changing it



Speaking of people filling out whatever they want on a form... I had asked my facebook friends that had "natural blonde hair" to show me a pic. After just 2 people sent pics i pulled the post becuase it was kind of silly. Anyway, one of the two people said "im a natural blonde" and then sent me 2 pictures. Seems people have a very different idea of what is blonde and what is red. Very much like the "Blue and Black or White and gold dress" debacle. Here is the picture she sent me. To me this is more red than blonde.
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Re: Possibly MAJOR Ross Sullivan writing find in yearbook

Postby Ham Friend » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:39 pm

On a different note. I have found something that by all accounts should blow this thing wide open. Im gonna try and have everything finished and ready by this weekend. Im going to send it to Morf first. This is bigger than the photos. Bigger than the yearbook handwriting. Bigger than blonde vs red. I would call it a bombshell. Its quite a lot to digest.
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Re: Possibly MAJOR Ross Sullivan writing find in yearbook

Postby Tahoe27 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:41 pm

morf13 wrote:
Tahoe27 wrote:Because that is how black and white photographs work with different shades of blond hair. The paperwork filled out was quite descriptive...hair included.


How can any of us really tell accurately what color anybody's hair is in a black & white photo. Remember, people can fill out whatever they want on a document, driver's license, etc. Doesn't mean it's accurate. Either way, what difference does it make if Ross's hair was brown, blonde, or red, or a combo of them? If it's to compare to the hair in Cheri's hand that's fine, but if it was to compare to Zodiac's in SF, it's mentioned in the description that the hair color may have been either or and the light may have been changing it


People can write whatever they want, but why would Ross have lied at 18 years of age?

My point was, in 1959 Ross was blond. If people want to spin it any other way, you'd have to ask them why they choose to do it. Cheri Jo? If one doesn't think Zodiac (might) have been responsible for Cheri...Ross is in the clear.

Zodiac? ...any suspect is covered. "light-brown, almost blond", "dark brown", "brown, reddish tint"..."possibly graying in rear".

There is no need to try and find excuses as to why his hair may have changed color, but in 1959 Ross Sullivan was blond.

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Re: Possibly MAJOR Ross Sullivan writing find in yearbook

Postby monarch » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:22 pm

Tahoe, do you have a full photo of Ross' draft card ?
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Re: Possibly MAJOR Ross Sullivan writing find in yearbook

Postby Ham Friend » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:38 pm

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Re: Possibly MAJOR Ross Sullivan writing find in yearbook

Postby monarch » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:40 pm

Thanks Ham.
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Re: Possibly MAJOR Ross Sullivan writing find in yearbook

Postby Theforeigner » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:46 pm

In Ross' draft card it is stated that Ross was 6 feet 2 inches :shock: (I didn't know that until today)

The suspect at Paul Stine murder was, at the wanted poster, estimated to be 5 feet 8 inches.

BIG difference !

How do those who believe Ross was Zodiac explain that?
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Re: Possibly MAJOR Ross Sullivan writing find in yearbook

Postby snooter » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:02 pm

Theforeigner wrote:In Ross' draft card it is stated that Ross was 6 feet 2 inches :shock: (I didn't know that until today)

The suspect at Paul Stine murder was, at the wanted poster, estimated to be 5 feet 8 inches.

BIG difference !

How do those who believe Ross was Zodiac explain that?


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Re: Possibly MAJOR Ross Sullivan writing find in yearbook

Postby Paul_Averly » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:18 pm

Theforeigner wrote:In Ross' draft card it is stated that Ross was 6 feet 2 inches :shock: (I didn't know that until today)

The suspect at Paul Stine murder was, at the wanted poster, estimated to be 5 feet 8 inches.

BIG difference !

How do those who believe Ross was Zodiac explain that?



No one has ever mentioned this before, EVER!
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