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electromatic wrote:Here's why I don't buy Ross:

1) Lots of guys looked like that in the 1960s. There's nothing unique about the older photo of Sullivan or the sketch of Zodiac. It's a white guy with a crew cut or closely cropped hair and GI glasses.

2) Until there's evidence linking Ross Sullivan to the death of Cheri Jo Bates, and then evidence that Cheri Jo Bates was an actual Zodiac victim, I think working backwards from scant circumstantial evidence in the Bay -- while also disregarding the serious mental disabilities Ross had -- is a mistake.

You are entitled to your thoughts yay or nay if ross is the z...what makes ross so dam interesting is he has been placed in the library at rcc..no others can claim that as of yet....yea that bastard could be involved with cjb....

If you dump berryessa as being a z crime ross also comes into play in the san fran area....while i do tend to agree ross fits berryessa there is some including myself that thinks the possibility exists that berryessa was not z but a copycat...of course ross is in no way a fit for k johns...i dunno and i am not goin speak for morf..nay be you just got him on a bad day...i dont think your post was that negative in nature

It wasn't a bad day, I went round & round with multiple people on Facebook that had the same attacking points about Ross. I end that argument because I just don't have the energy, and low & behold, hours later a poster here picks up the conversation exactly where it left off on Facebook...I find the timing pretty suspicious, but anyhow.

I have said all along, if Ross was never in Vallejo- he can't be Zodiac. Period. So, I am not married to Ross. If he can be ruled out, let's rule him out, but I am not going to sit back and listen while people who don't present suspects of their own choose to only post when it's to attack a suspect and cast doubt on them. That's trolling.

I also have said that Ross being 6ft2, is taller than most descriptions of Zodiac.

But, facts are facts, he's the closest match of any suspect to the Zodiac sketch, and if you can't admit that, then you aren't being honest. He has the widow's peak hairline as Fouke stated. He was very stocky, overweight, solid, beefy, whatever you want to call him, just as Zodiac was described. Zodiac at Lake Berryessa was well over 200 pounds, and Ross was well over 200 pounds. If you want to say that things that rule him out are that he can't be placed in Vallejo area, or that he's tall, that's fine, but don't say his frown lines or nose doesn't match the Zodiac sketch. That's the silliest argument ever. Do you really think that the sketch artist and witnesses could get every detail of Zodiac right down to wrinkles and lines? It's silly. Fact is, Ross looks extremely close to the sketch, and was in the RCC library where Zodiac's writing was found. If you want to bring forward any other suspects that were in that library and look very close to the Z sketch, give me their info, I'll be happy to check them out for you.

The frustration comes from going round and round over the same points.
Trolls come on and make the same argument every time.

1) We picked Ross as a suspect ONLY because he looks like the sketch.
2) Riverside is not confirmed Zodiac.

These points only show a lack of knowledge regarding the case.

Ross is not a suspect because of his look. No popular suspect has ever been included or excluded based on the sketch alone.

The folks who became interested in Ross, started with a great understanding and knowledge of the case. And with that understood the importance of the Riverside connection. Starting at the possible beginning of the crimes led to Ross. (This started years before us with the work of Dave Peterson). Up to 2013 no one knew two things: if Ross had a connection to SF, and what he looked like. Finding a great suspect in the CJB case that also lived in SF + could easily match the sketch lit a fire of interest. Much more info has been dug up, and much more still needs to be unearthed.

Claiming that Ross can't be Z based only on the sketch is flat out hubris.

The second point regarding the Riverside connection has also been round and round. The evidence is simply that a connection is very possible. The best attempts to explain this connection away have led to convoluted copy-cat theories, that never hold up to any scrutiny.

Good points Paul.

People have stated, that either "Bates isn't a Zodiac victim" so they think Ross is only connected to her. It DOES NOT matter if she was or she wasn't, I only care if Zodiac wrote the Bates letters & desktop poem. According to the CA DOJ the Bates & Riverside writing is part of Zodiac evidence.

Then people say, "well Morrill identified the 1978 letter as Zodiac, and that wasn't Zodiac, so how do we know he isn't mistaken about the Riverside writing?". Let's see, that 1978 also fooled John Shimoda, another questioned docs examiner, who finally reversed himself, so it must have been a pretty good fake. Plus, Morrill had been retired for several years when he identified that 78 letter initially as a Z letter,so he wasn't even working the case at that time, and may have not even been using an original to do his examination. Bottom line or not, It's painfully obvious that the confession letter writer was Zodiac. And the envelope that letter came in was Zodiac. Therefore, I am inclined to think the desk was Zodiac as well.

Bottom line, I don't care who somebody thinks or doesn't think Zodiac was-that's their business. I won't lose sleep over it. But I don't want people trolling Ross or any other suspect for trolling's sake.

I feel like I have asked this question before but don't feel like I am clear on the subject. Could someone tell me what specific 1978 letters are considered fake and why....aside from toschi. I heard a little something on that.

Thanks
Soze

Soze wrote:I feel like I have asked this question before but don't feel like I am clear on the subject. Could someone tell me what specific 1978 letters are considered fake and why....aside from toschi. I heard a little something on that.

Thanks
Soze

Any of them

I think Ross Sullivan is a very good POI for the Zodiac. I hope Zodiac Hunters continue to do more digging with this possible suspect. At this time I wouldn't let anything disqualify anybody. We all know there are many twists and turns in the Zodiac mystery. There's arguments galore about which crimes the Zodiac committed and what the real evidence is. Some believe the Zodiac may have been a team. Some people think the Zodiac hunters are seeking a ghost or a phantom who died years ago or never was nothing more than a hoax. I appreciate all the theories and all of the speculation that people have come up with over the years. As an proud Irish-American I'd hate like heck for the Zodiac to turn out to be a fellow Irish American with an Irish name like Sullivan. However, first and foremost I want the black mask to be ripped off of the Zodiac once for all.

BugsMoran wrote:I think Ross Sullivan is a very good POI for the Zodiac. I hope Zodiac Hunters continue to do more digging with this possible suspect. At this time I wouldn't let anything disqualify anybody. We all know there are many twists and turns in the Zodiac mystery. There's arguments galore about which crimes the Zodiac committed and what the real evidence is. Some believe the Zodiac may have been a team. Some people think the Zodiac hunters are seeking a ghost or a phantom who died years ago or never was nothing more than a hoax. I appreciate all the theories and all of the speculation that people have come up with over the years. As an proud Irish-American I'd hate like heck for the Zodiac to turn out to be a fellow Irish American with an Irish name like Sullivan. However, first and foremost I want the black mask to be ripped off of the Zodiac once for all.

That leads to an interesting point. Do they have quality DNA, and enough of that DNA in this case to determine heritage, ancestry,etc?? Can they make a DNA facial portrait as many agencies are doing with cases?

No POI in this case is a perfect one, they are "too tall" "too old" "too fat" "too thin" etc etc. Ross is no exception to this rule. But again, he looks identical to the sketch, and was in the RCC library where Zodiac's writing was found. He took code courses of some sort,as per Dave Peterson....so for the love of God, can we just get a DNA test from a family member? Then, maybe the Ross 'dissenters' & 'supporters' will find out who's correct.

Yes - DNA will probably be the only way this case could be solved once and for all. For all the enthralling suspects we discuss on here, I’ve a horrible feeling that Z was possibly just some complete non-descript janitor, cleaner, etc who no one would have even thought twice about and has no chance of being identified.

morf13 wrote:can we just get a DNA test from a family member? Then, maybe the Ross 'dissenters' & 'supporters' will find out who's correct.

The profile LE has is partial. I would guess that his only living brother's DNA would be close, but not a match to Ross.

The other option is simply prints. Ross had to have his prints taken at some point. LE should be able to dig those up.

Quagmire wrote: I’ve a horrible feeling that Z was possibly just some complete non-descript janitor, cleaner, etc who no one would have even thought twice about and has no chance of being identified.

Z left way to much info about who he was to not be identified. If Ross was Z, it would make perfect sense as to why he was able to fly under the radar. Ross was connected to nothing during his time in the bay area. The same dismissal members give him today based on mental health, probably also benefited him back then.

If Ross was not Z, it would be the greatest case of Zynchronicity ever. When you take a guy who fits that well into the profile, happened to be in all the places at the right times, and even have been a contemporary suspect by multiple sources. At some point you have to admit that maybe Z was not perfect and left behind a trail of evidence that just needed to be placed in the correct order for it to all make perfect sense.