Ross Sullivan Dissenters thread

[snooter]

Usually criminals dont crap where they live..may be z in fact did...sending the here i am come and get me signals in san fran area was a far cry from his home base which may have possibly been riverside...but yea its all conjecture and we can arm chair quarterback it if and or when z is ever caught...z would not have liked toschi poking around in riverside for obvious reasons..everybody could identify him and knew him..san fran area not so much...of couese all my take here

Yea good point on KJ...IF, IF, IF you think she was with or not with the Z would depend on how one views her description..personally i am biased here and beluive kj was very possibly right next to the z...

So where does 14 pages leave us..right back to the only poi that can conclusive be tied to riverside and thats ross..ross has as much going for him as tk, x, gaik, ala and the rest of the lot in regards to proof of being z which really is not much proof in the eyes of any states attorney....but if you toss out cjb then the others become much more interesting in the greater z world..

[Paul_Averly]

ONE stamp would not have been sufficient postage when it came to the Bates letters. The sender had to put two.

Sure he did.

I've asked this before, create a thread about your Zodiac copycat "theory," post evidence that supports it, and watch members blast holes through it.

The smallest, most impractical path for a bay area killer to learn of, and copy elements of a crime, is not proof or even a good reason to think a copycat is even a good possibility.

Know what is a good possibility? A mentally ill individual who matches the Z physical description, and had ties to both areas in the years the crimes took place.

[Tahoe27]

Really, that is your reply to my post? Typical.

I guess he could have put three stamps or used different stamps, but the ones he used...he needed two. If I'm mistaken, I will gladly acknowledge it and admit my mistake.

I have posted about what I think about Lake Berryessa. Sure, some disagree and some agree. I am not looking to score points. The rest of it...I don't think there was a "copycat" and I certainly have no theory of one. I think Zodiac was the one who, at times, was full of sh**.

[1doctor]

ONE stamp would not have been sufficient postage when it came to the Bates letters. The sender had to put two.

Sure he did.

That's very dismissive of a fact. If he was, in fact, required to use two stamps, then it does the epitome of a coincidence. If he needs to use two stamps, he has to use two stamps. Retorting "sure he did" is not a very good way to dispute facts.

The smallest, most impractical path for a bay area killer to learn of, and copy elements of a crime, is not proof or even a good reason to think a copycat is even a good possibility.

I agree. It is impractical (still possible, but I agree not very probable) for that to be the steps taken. However, on this same notion, you cannot link minute coincidences together and then conclude it was the same person, also. There were many crazy people doing many crazy violent acts and crazy seeks for attention in Southern California and the whole west coast during this time period. If we had no suspects in many of the murders, one could be compelled to link many different serial killer murders together to the same individual due to the strange matter involving the cases.


Sometimes craziness abets craziness.

Know what is a good possibility? A mentally ill individual who matches the Z physical description, and had ties to both areas in the years the crimes took place.

I again agree! It is a possibility. It is not a fact, though, and it isn't even a strong likelihood given the evidence presented. With more information coming out, the scales could tip either way, but as the current facts stand, it is irresponsible to conclude the two must be from one individual. That's all that I'm wanting people to acknowledge.

[Paul_Averly]

I guess he could have put three stamps or used different stamps, but the ones he used...he needed two.

He could have used 3 or 4 or even none, like the confession. But he just so happened to use the exact amount that later became a common trait of the Zodiac letters.

But as always, it's explained away as a big coincidence! Just admit that if photos of the Bates letters with double postage appeared in the papers before 1969, you would claim he copied the double postage. I guess the Riverside writer was just concerned with proper postage..... but not for the confession letter.

[Tahoe27]

I guess he could have put three stamps or used different stamps, but the ones he used...he needed two.

He could have used 3 or 4 or even none, like the confession. But he just so happened to use the exact amount that later became a common trait of the Zodiac letters.

But as always, it's explained away as a big coincidence! Just admit that if photos of the Bates letters with double postage appeared in the papers before 1969, you would claim he copied the double postage. I guess the Riverside writer was just concerned with proper postage..... but not for the confession letter.

The Confession later doesn't appear to have been mailed. Not a concern.

The Bates letters that were handwritten were mailed. In order for them to get to their destination, they would need two stamps. Maybe you'd get a nice postman that would just deliver it anyway, but...that is just the way that goes. You'd have to ask Zodiac why he put more than needed postage.

What is silly about this Paul_A, is I am not even arguing the possibility of Zodiac having sent them, but I am saying there is a possibility he did not. There are reasonable justifications to consider Zodiac, but I also believe there are reasons it could have been someone else. It's as simple as that.

[Tahoe27]

I stand corrected. See how that works Paul? The confession letter had gone through a mail facility since it was postmarked. Doesn't change my stance, but I bet that doesn't surprise you.

[duckking2001]

So where does 14 pages leave us..right back to the only poi that can conclusive be tied to riverside and thats ross

That's not true. Well, I guess it could be depending on what your definition of a "POI" is. Ross definitely was not the only Bates suspect. So why is he supposedly the only Zodiac suspect from Riverside?

There's possibility, probability, and then there's sheer nonsense. I for one would like the people who favor Ross as a suspect to get rid of that last one.

Why is a suspect from Riverside more suspicious than a suspect from any of the other places that Zodiac was equally, or more connected to?

Why is a suspect who is mentally ill more suspicious than one who isn't when there is no factual basis to conclude he had the same mental illness as Zodiac, or that Zodiac even had one at all?

[snooter]

So where does 14 pages leave us..right back to the only poi that can conclusive be tied to riverside and thats ross

That's not true. Well, I guess it could be depending on what your definition of a "POI" is. Ross definitely was not the only Bates suspect. So why is he supposedly the only Zodiac suspect from Riverside?

There's possibility, probability, and then there's sheer nonsense. I for one would like the people who favor Ross as a suspect to get rid of that last one.

Why is a suspect from Riverside more suspicious than a suspect from any of the other places that Zodiac was equally, or more connected to?

Why is a suspect who is mentally ill more suspicious than one who isn't when there is no factual basis to conclude he had the same mental illness as Zodiac, or that Zodiac even had one at all?

If you think z is responsible for cjb than ross becomes viable..if you think riverside is ground zero of the z world then ross looks good...if not than not so much...i dont look at z as mentally ill either...he was the perfect pirate cause he aint been caught

[billbrasky]

Size 7 gloves
Size 10.5 shoe size.

Now gentleman unless Ross hand really small feet and hands for his size then he is not Zodiac.
Lets say Ross was jacked and was not 6.3 but 6.2 and weighed 240 not 300 pounds. Well his shoes and gloves still would be a lot larger than 10.5 and size 7 gloves.
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If there are disagreements i would love to hear them on the sizing.