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There is a lot more evidence with the Bates case too. Hair, partial DNA--which is at the very least..something, greasy fingerprints, a shoe print/size.

While it may be argued that some of this may or may not be from her killer, it still exists in this case. They don't know who killed her and don't know who those prints belong to. Someone messed with her car that day. Chances are pretty darn good they belong to her killer.

This could all be reasons why Ross was eliminated by LE. I say COULD.

snooter wrote:One thing in regards to ross that interests me greatly is his proximity to bates...you all can argue for the next 10 years if bates was at the hands of zodiac...its all circumstantial at this point until further evidence comes to light...morf did a great job on ross..that cant be under stated...we just need more to tie ross to vallejo.....its not going to be easy to find that link..people are gone..memories have faded and records have probably been shredded..still he hold interest for me until riverside pd tosses a bone as to why not...i guess it come down to wether you think bates would have walked into a dark alley with ross..but would that make ross z..i just want her killer found..dont really care if that solves the z or not...she deserves that somebody care at riverside pd even after all these years

Ross supposedly had an alibi for the Bates murder, which doesn't mater in the grand scheme of things,since it' long been possible that Zodiac wrote letters & desktop in her case,but didn't actually kill her.
The Vallejo connection is extremely important,if Ross was never there, he can not be Z. Unfortunately,I don't know how much remains to be discovered for Ross.

I've said this before, but will try again. In my mind, there's no doubt that the desktop poem author was psychotic and, very possibly, homicidal. According to Sherwood Morrill, recognized State of California graphologist the poem was written by Zodiac. It is difficult to assert that someone other than the poem's author killed Bates: two psychotic killers on one college campus at the same time is pushing the odds. I believe the man who killed Bates did so for personal reasons, and went on to become Zodiac.

Dag MacLugh wrote:I've said this before, but will try again. In my mind, there's no doubt that the desktop poem author was psychotic and, very possibly, homicidal. According to Sherwood Morrill, recognized State of California graphologist the poem was written by Zodiac. It is difficult to assert that someone other than the poem's author killed Bates: two psychotic killers on one college campus at the same time is pushing the odds. I believe the man who killed Bates did so for personal reasons, and went on to become Zodiac.

If you have faith in Morrill's assessment of the poem, Zodiac is not Ross. Morrill confirmed the 1978 letter as Zodiac. Not a copy-cat...Zodiac.

This is a conundrum if praising Morrill's expertise, while supporting Ross.

Tahoe27 wrote:

Dag MacLugh wrote:I've said this before, but will try again. In my mind, there's no doubt that the desktop poem author was psychotic and, very possibly, homicidal. According to Sherwood Morrill, recognized State of California graphologist the poem was written by Zodiac. It is difficult to assert that someone other than the poem's author killed Bates: two psychotic killers on one college campus at the same time is pushing the odds. I believe the man who killed Bates did so for personal reasons, and went on to become Zodiac.

If you have faith in Morrill's assessment of the poem, Zodiac is not Ross. Morrill confirmed the 1978 letter as Zodiac. Not a copy-cat...Zodiac.

This is a conundrum if praising Morrill's expertise, while supporting Ross.

To be fair,didn't Sherwood reverse himself? Wasn't he using a copy of something as opposed to an original?

Dag MacLugh wrote:I've said this before, but will try again. In my mind, there's no doubt that the desktop poem author was psychotic and, very possibly, homicidal. According to Sherwood Morrill, recognized State of California graphologist the poem was written by Zodiac. It is difficult to assert that someone other than the poem's author killed Bates: two psychotic killers on one college campus at the same time is pushing the odds. I believe the man who killed Bates did so for personal reasons, and went on to become Zodiac.

Well, to be fair, the whole bay area kinda had a monopoly on crazies and serial killers in the 60's and 70's

morf13 wrote:

Tahoe27 wrote:

Dag MacLugh wrote:I've said this before, but will try again. In my mind, there's no doubt that the desktop poem author was psychotic and, very possibly, homicidal. According to Sherwood Morrill, recognized State of California graphologist the poem was written by Zodiac. It is difficult to assert that someone other than the poem's author killed Bates: two psychotic killers on one college campus at the same time is pushing the odds. I believe the man who killed Bates did so for personal reasons, and went on to become Zodiac.

If you have faith in Morrill's assessment of the poem, Zodiac is not Ross. Morrill confirmed the 1978 letter as Zodiac. Not a copy-cat...Zodiac.

This is a conundrum if praising Morrill's expertise, while supporting Ross.

To be fair,didn't Sherwood reverse himself? Wasn't he using a copy of something as opposed to an original?

Black and White thinking = he was wrong one time, therefore he was wrong every time!

I give Sherwood a pass since (1) it technically was Z handwriting, but it was forged. (2) the guy who forged it consulted with Sherwood and probably found out the traits he would be looking for.

Also he was retired at the time, and probably only looked at the copy in the newspaper. Claiming Sherwood is incompetent is one of the weakest defenses against the Riverside writing connection to Zodiac's.

Paul_Averly wrote: Claiming Sherwood is incompetent is one of the weakest defenses against the Riverside writing connection to Zodiac's.

Not for those who don't consider graphology and "handwriting analysis" to be psuedoscientific nonsense

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRel ... rapho.html

Paul_Averly wrote:

Black and White thinking = he was wrong one time, therefore he was wrong every time!

I give Sherwood a pass since (1) it technically was Z handwriting, but it was forged. (2) the guy who forged it consulted with Sherwood and probably found out the traits he would be looking for.

Also he was retired at the time, and probably only looked at the copy in the newspaper. Claiming Sherwood is incompetent is one of the weakest defenses against the Riverside writing connection to Zodiac's.

You state that like it is a fact. It is not. You don't know the writer consulted with Morrill.

Bottom line, if it wasn't Zodiac who wrote it, it is a fake. He should have recognized it was forced...a forgery. A forgery mean it was fake. It is not Zodiac's writing. I am surprised I even have to write this...

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I think Morrill was good at what he did, and probably one of the best when it came to the Zodiac case. I do think it would be hard to judge off of a photograph--even Morrill himself discussed the ways in which he got the best results. A photograph would limit those abilities, as would a carving with a pen in a desk, which too, may have been via a photograph...I don't know. Certainly, I never said Morrill was incompetent and never said he got them all wrong. Simple human error at times, yes.

From the other thread

Paul_Averly wrote:How many people from Riverside were schizophrenic? How many of the current Zodiac suspects were schizophrenic?

Only one I know of...

A bunch of folks! Look at southern and northern cali around this time. Look at all the insane asylums they had. I'd say it's more statistically improbable that Ross was the ONLY guy on RCC that time period with schizophenia