Tim Sullivan

[bitterbeatpoet]

if i'm not mistaken, someone on this site stated a few weeks back
that Tim and Bonnie were divorced by 1969?

[morf13]

if i'm not mistaken, someone on this site stated a few weeks back
that Tim and Bonnie were divorced by 1969?

Not sure if they were or not. If they were, then it would be interesting, because a Bonnie L. Bartlett got married in Contra Costa County in June,1969.L was 'our' Bonnie's middle initial

Also, regarding the Bonnie Bartlett who lived in SF, there is another possible Bonnie, a Woman named Bonnie C. Bartlett who lived in San Fran in 1980. She is now 70 yrs old.

[Seagull]

As far as I know we do not have a firm date of when Tim Sullivan went to Canada to avoid being drafted but I think I may have narrowed down when that could have happened.

In December of 1969 the first "Draft Lottery" was conducted to determine the order in which men would be called in the year of 1970 to go in for their selective service physical. The physical would determine if that person was fit for military duty. If he was fit and had no other exemptions he would be drafted fairly quickly. The lottery used a man's birthdate to assign the order in which he would be called in for the physical. All men who were born between 1944 and 1950 were included in this first lottery.

The Wiki on the draft lottery-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_lottery_(1969)

We now know that Tim Sullivan's birthdate was September 7, 1946. According to the chart made for this first lottery Tim's number was 8, a very, very low number which would have insured that he would be drafted.

I believe that the lottery and the low number that Tim was assigned was the catalyst for Tim's move to Canada and that it was after the numbers were drawn that Tim went to Canada.

Here is the chart for the numbers that each birthdate was assigned from this website-

http://www.historynet.com/whats-your-number.htm

Tim Sullivan draft lottery number.png

[JeffP]

As far as I know we do not have a firm date of when Tim Sullivan went to Canada to avoid being drafted but I think I may have narrowed down when that could have happened.

In December of 1969 the first "Draft Lottery" was conducted to determine the order in which men would be called in the year of 1970 to go in for their selective service physical. The physical would determine if that person was fit for military duty. If he was fit and had no other exemptions he would be drafted fairly quickly. The lottery used a man's birthdate to assign the order in which he would be called in for the physical. All men who were born between 1944 and 1950 were included in this first lottery.

The Wiki on the draft lottery-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_lottery_(1969)

We now know that Tim Sullivan's birthdate was September 7, 1946. According to the chart made for this first lottery Tim's number was 8, a very, very low number which would have insured that he would be drafted.

I believe that the lottery and the low number that Tim was assigned was the catalyst for Tim's move to Canada and that it was after the numbers were drawn that Tim went to Canada.

Here is the chart for the numbers that each birthdate was assigned from this website-

http://www.historynet.com/whats-your-number.htm

Tim Sullivan draft lottery number.png

Great work seagull. I was wondering this myself. So this means that Timothy likely lived in San Francisco until then? But if he and Bonnie lived in Canada together, and we have three sources that they did, how would they have moved to Canada in 1969 if they were divorced by 1969?

It's possible that Timothy and Bonnie moved to Canada, split up and he returned to the states (didn't they have a baby together?). Then when his draft number was called up he moved back to Canada and applied for landed residency in 1969-70.

[Seagull]

I, too, am trying to reconcile this whole situation. The last name of Sullivan is common, Timothy has been a common name for eons as it's a biblical name. Bonnie is less common but it was fairly common for women in her age group. I think what I will do on Tuesday is send for the 1969 marriage certificate for Bonnie L Bartlett and see if she is the correct one. I don't see any other options to be positive about this.

[JeffP]

I, too, am trying to reconcile this whole situation. The last name of Sullivan is common, Timothy has been a common name for eons as it's a biblical name. Bonnie is less common but it was fairly common for women in her age group. I think what I will do on Tuesday is send for the 1969 marriage certificate for Bonnie L Bartlett and see if she is the correct one. I don't see any other options to be positive about this.

But Dannell had confirmed that they split up very early on in their relationship, so it's likely her. She said they married because she was pregnant.

[Seagull]

Jeff, I wish I could say that "likely" satisfies my need to know, but it doesn't at this point! If Bonnie was pregnant when she and Tim were married, where was the baby born? I cannot find a birth record for a child with the last name of Sullivan and mother's maiden name of Bartlett born in California at any time. I have the international version of Ancestry so I can look up Canadian births, deaths etc. but I cannot find that they had a child there, nor can I find that Tim died there. I was kind of hoping with finding Tim's birthdate it would help in finding where and when he died but it hasn't helped. Getting confirmed information on the Sullivan's is spotty at best and it's terribly frustrating as we all know!

[Tahoe27]

When I first contacted Ross' brother Jon, I only mentioned Cheri Jo and the time of her death. Jon said Timothy was either in Canada, or about to go then. For what it's worth...

[Norse]

Isn't it possible that he left for Canada before the actual "lottery" was introduced? Relating to what Tahoe says above, it doesn't seem inconceivable that he could have left for Canada in, say, 1967 in order to avoid getting drafted (or in order to dodge actual service, having already been drafted).

I mean, people were drafted on a pretty significant scale even before the "lottery", weren't they?

In short, he could have had several stints in Canada: Initially left around '67, returned a couple of years later, then moved back north at some some point after 1969 - and then came back again around the time when he made the Zodiac comment to his friend (Katz). Isn't that possible?

Another thing which strikes me is that the involved parties were hippies (described as such). Perhaps he wasn't formally married to the woman in question. Maybe it was a hippie wedding, so to speak (of which there would be no record for Seagull to find).

Just a thought.

[Seagull]

Norse, I was able to find the marriage license for the marriage between Tim and Bonnie, it's the first thing posted in the thread. What I want to be sure of is a marriage between Bonnie and a person named John Glover in 1969. The record exists but is it the same Bonnie???

Bonnie Bartlett 1969 marriage.PNG