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Re: Ross Sullivan: Timeline of primary sources

Postby JeffP » Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:34 pm

Paul_Averly wrote:That book could have been used to create the 408. The 408 is very basic and many books on ciphers would cover how to do it.
We don't know how the 340 was encoded, so we can't say where he got the information to create it. If the 340 is solved, that might point to how Z came up with the information.

As far as how all that relates to Ross. Ross seemed to be into books, and could be the type of person to read about the process in a library and use it. Ross was also involved with YMCA outdoor type stuff, and he could have picked up cipher knowledge with that.

Didn't we also figure out his old YMCA boss H Prune, have a HAM radio lic? He might also have used coded messages and trained Ross.


Another thing I noticed from Ross' military information. He was originally registered on October 15th 1959. He was classifed 1-A on September 13th 1962. Then he took his examination and failed it on November 4th, 1963. He was reclassified a 1-Y on January 16th, 1964.

There's a lot of information there. I don't know the process of registering and taking ones exam. But why were the gaps so long between the various certifications?
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Re: Ross Sullivan: Timeline of primary sources

Postby Eric P Norman » Mon Jun 05, 2017 7:31 pm

Hello, all. I received another email from someone who is related to Ross. Here is what he wrote (with a couple typo corrections) in the two emails in which he described what he knows.

February 22, 2017

Eric, we have recently been made aware of Ross' possible relation to both the Cheri Jo Bates homicide and rumored connections to the Zodiac. I will tell you both my father and I are in law enforcement and have had contact with the current investigators in California, one of which seemed to quickly dismiss Ross' connection, we went as far offering to have a cousin supply DNA for comparison.

My father is Ross' first cousin and we still have contact with Ross' brother John Sullivan, who is in California.

Let me talk to my father, he may be more adapt at providing you with information that you seek.

This I do know, Ross was in the area during the Cheri Jo Bates time, was "sent away", which my parents believed to have meant he was institutionalized for some time. On occasions my mother asked about Ross and she was told that he had passed away unexpectedly, only to find out that he passed years later, according to my parents it seemed like the family had a dirty little secret they were trying to conceal. My father spent time with Harold's three sons growing up they would come visit his mother, Grace (Sullivan) Flaherty. My father describes all three cousins as extremely intelligent, however, he says that Ross was odd, socially awkward.


June 5, 2017

I have periodically been talking with my parents about Ross. I am not sure that they have much more information to offer. My father is a few years younger that Ross, he is John's age. He was a young child when Ross, John and Tom could come to Connecticut to visit his mother. My father did say that it was always thought that Harold had deserted the boys after Harriet had died, but my father clearly remembers that Harold had left prior to Harriet dying and once Harriet died the three boys were placed into an orphanage. He is not sure exactly that was, but it was definitely in California. He says that growing up they always lived in California except for a short time when Harold had brought Harriet, John, Tim and Ross to the east coast where they lived in up-state New York for a short time.

My mother says she clearly remembers having a conversation with Tim one time shortly before or shortly after my sister was born (1966) when she asked about Ross. According to my mother Tim told her that Ross had died while in an insane asylum. She always thought it was odd that they were told Ross died about ten years earlier than he actually did in 1977.

Both of my parents said that they never really had much contact with Ross, Tim or John because that always lived on the west coast, or in Canada when they were dodging the draft. They both were not able to recall any of Ross' interests, knew if he was into collecting military items. My father said he never knew Ross to even have a license and therefore couldn't tell me if he even ever owned a car.

My mother said that other family had discovered the connection with Ross and the Cheri Jo Bates homicide back some years ago and that John had been asked about it and he said "it's bull shit".

Like I think I told you before, my father always said that all three boys were very smart, but that Ross was always odd and they knew that he was in and out of institutions
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Re: Ross Sullivan: Timeline of primary sources

Postby Marshall » Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:25 pm

This is very interesting. Whenever discussion of the Albany letter comes up I think of Ross' connection to New York...

Since they are in law enforcement, and relatives, is there any chance they can obtain any hard info? Like, what was Ross' alibi for the CJB murder, and was he the person at Patton who confessed? For that matter, it would be good to know how thoroughly Ross was checked out. And the grail would probably be establishing the dates Ross was institutionalized, and where.

It's odd that Tim was saying Ross was dead in 1966-67, when he was of course well aware Ross was alive.

It's good that some family members are interested in getting to the truth - which I personally think will clear Ross conclusively.
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Re: Ross Sullivan: Timeline of primary sources

Postby Tahoe27 » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:19 pm

When I communicated with Jon, he was clueless to Ross and any connection with Cheri, or the Zodiac case. He was very cordial, but caught so off guard, he didn't quite know what to say at first. Of course he described his size and medical condition...which I thought was decent of him to discuss with a total stranger.
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Re: Ross Sullivan: Timeline of primary sources

Postby Paul_Averly » Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:50 am

Thanks for posting this Eric!

I will tell you both my father and I are in law enforcement and have had contact with the current investigators in California, one of which seemed to quickly dismiss Ross' connection,

That must be RPD who are still convinced it was BB. (and only relating to the CJB case)

This I do know, Ross was in the area during the Cheri Jo Bates time, was "sent away", which my parents believed to have meant he was institutionalized for some time.

This might be his time in Patton Hospital (sometime around 1961-1964)

My mother says she clearly remembers having a conversation with Tim one time shortly before or shortly after my sister was born (1966) when she asked about Ross. According to my mother Tim told her that Ross had died while in an insane asylum. She always thought it was odd that they were told Ross died about ten years earlier than he actually did in 1977.

Tim was the one who seemed to be around Ross the most, so that is odd. He also told Katz he was convinced Ross had killed CJB.
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Re: Ross Sullivan: Timeline of primary sources

Postby monarch » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:53 am

great work Eric ! thanks for taking the time to obtain all this info.

It's very strange Ross' family would lie and claim he had died when he was still alive, Bizarre !
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Re: Ross Sullivan: Timeline of primary sources

Postby Tahoe27 » Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:55 am

In regards to the RPD, could be that hey have dismissed him because they have valid reason to. Maybe not, but I think it's unfortunate people keep throwing "Barnett" into the mix. That would be like the entire VPD dismissing any other Zodiac suspects because Bawart liked Allen. Sure, there was a time when "BB" was their top suspect, and the RPD seemed blind to others, but it's been 50 years...I think they have looked at other folks. We know they have. And, we know they continue to follow her case--even using modern DNA techniques. We know the RPD is aware of Ross. I just don't see them ignoring Ross (Zodiac case or not) over an old suspect who turned out to be innocent.
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Re: Ross Sullivan: Timeline of primary sources

Postby Paul_Averly » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:04 pm

There have been researcher that have talked to the RPD investigators and they maintain the position that they believe BB killer CJB. Ross was on their radar but they failed to find the connection he had to CJB, so I would imaging he was never very high on their list.

My opinion as to why RPD would continue to place BB high on their list would be 2 simple reasons:

1) Current investigators are not re-examining evidence from an old cold case, so the position of the past investigators is passed down.

2) For RPD to admit that BB is likely not the perp, would be like saying - we have no prime suspect, AND WE ARE BACK TO SQUARE ONE, AFTER 50 YEARS.
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Re: Ross Sullivan: Timeline of primary sources

Postby Tahoe27 » Tue Jun 06, 2017 12:23 pm

But it has been 50 years. I would say, it's obvious they have no prime suspect.

They have been, quite recently, examining old evidence in the case. New investigators were recently on the cover of a magazine talking about new DNA testing--in regards to Cheri's case. Whether they got anything is yet to be made public.

I have no doubt there were people in the RPD, at one point, high on their suspect. There always seems to be someone departments are drawn to...in any criminal case, and they are often proven wrong.
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Re: Ross Sullivan: Timeline of primary sources

Postby Paul_Averly » Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:50 pm

Eric P Norman wrote:Eric, we have recently been made aware of Ross' possible relation to both the Cheri Jo Bates homicide and rumored connections to the Zodiac. I will tell you both my father and I are in law enforcement and have had contact with the current investigators in California, one of which seemed to quickly dismiss Ross' connection, we went as far offering to have a cousin supply DNA for comparison.


This is very good news. It would be great if they were sent some kind of synopsis as to why we suspect Ross, the information that brought him to our attention and things we have learned about him in past few years.
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