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Re: Ross Sullivan in Santa Cruz

Postby bitterbeatpoet » Wed Aug 26, 2015 3:32 pm

do you find it interesting that both of these men were detained
because of their likeness to the Z composite? yet, here is Ross,
who the Santa Cruz police seemed to be familiar with. who could
look anything more like the composite sketch? one more reason why
i have little faith in much of the Z investigation.
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Re: Ross Sullivan in Santa Cruz

Postby Holmes201 » Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:31 am

If you go to San Jose Public Library website, they have pictures ( SJPL's) Digital Collections. It shows pictures of flooding of the Agnew Hospital grounds. In fact one picture shows the flooding near the old maintenance buildings. The letter from Zodiac mentioning flooding his work shop/ basement, during the heavy rains.
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Re: Ross Sullivan in Santa Cruz

Postby doranchak » Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:44 am

This is interesting:

https://www.evernote.com/shard/s1/sh/45 ... a31bbb2596

The article mentions that in a two year period ending September 1969, Agnews State Hospital had reduced their patient population from 2,500 to 1,200.

Makes me wonder if Ross was at Agnews and was simply released due to reduced mental health funding by the state of California.
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Re: Ross Sullivan in Santa Cruz

Postby doranchak » Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:52 am

The article also talks how LPS conservatorships went into effect July 1, 1969, and has many details about how they work.
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Re: Ross Sullivan in Santa Cruz

Postby Holmes201 » Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:55 am

From the sound of it, the understaffing and the sheer size of the Hospital grounds and out buildings it seems a reasonable idea thar Ross could have access to these various trade shops without to much trouble.
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Re: Ross Sullivan in Santa Cruz

Postby Holmes201 » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:00 am

doranchak wrote:The article also talks how LPS conservatorships went into effect July 1, 1969, and has many details about how they work.


It appears that the hospital was very lax in its operation by 1969. It seems that Ross fell threw the cracks.
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Re: Ross Sullivan in Santa Cruz

Postby Tahoe27 » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:08 am

Holmes201 wrote:
doranchak wrote:The article also talks how LPS conservatorships went into effect July 1, 1969, and has many details about how they work.


It appears that the hospital was very lax in its operation by 1969. It seems that Ross fell threw the cracks.


Why do you believe Ross fell threw the cracks?
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"...they may be dealing with one or more ersatz Zodiacs--other psychotics eager to get into the act, or perhaps even other murderers eager to lay their crimes at the real Zodiac's doorstep." L.A. Times, 1969
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Re: Ross Sullivan in Santa Cruz

Postby morf13 » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:22 am

They cut their patients in half, it's possible Ross had the streets. Wonder when the actual release happened for these patients?
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Re: Ross Sullivan in Santa Cruz

Postby Holmes201 » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:25 am

Tahoe27 wrote:
Holmes201 wrote:
doranchak wrote:The article also talks how LPS conservatorships went into effect July 1, 1969, and has many details about how they work.


It appears that the hospital was very lax in its operation by 1969. It seems that Ross fell threw the cracks.


Why do you believe Ross fell threw the cracks?


I think he was medicated and discharged along with over 1,200 patients at this time. Funding was cut. Understaffing and underfunded equates to inadequate care. The trend was to send the patients back to the cities they resided before committal. Push them off the state' responibliites and have the cities and towns carry the financial burden. He fell through the cracks because he was a sick man who was sent home without being cured. Where would he get expert treatment for his mental disorder besides at the expert facilities of the state?
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Re: Ross Sullivan in Santa Cruz

Postby Seagull » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:32 am

I agree that Ross probably fell through the cracks. Ross was admitted to the mental health care system at a time when funding to the mental health hospital was in decline. It was felt that many of these patients could do better by being in the mainstream population while being cared for on an out patient basis. The mental health population in California state hospitals was cut almost in half between 1959 and 1969. Unfortunately, there were not enough programs in place on the outside to accommodate the influx of mental patients hitting the streets. There was not enough housing nor general oversight that these patients were receiving the care and medication they needed.

This is an older article, but it's a good one, regarding the mental health care situation in the US.

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/10/30/scien ... began.html
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