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Re: Ross doing harm to others

PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:46 pm
by Norse
smokie treats wrote:
On doing harm to others and allegedly being a gently soul. He was arrested for confining a man in a telephone booth while naked in Santa Cruz. He was likely not completely harmless.


Trouble is there is nothing concrete there. The episode is grotesque, no doubt, and it proves that he was capable of irrational behavior of a pretty extreme kind – but it doesn't really suggest that he was violent. He didn't harm the guy physically. Out of control, without question, and as such not completely harmless - but there's no violence or even malice in it, seemingly.

The sheep incident is more interesting to me. But I'd like some more details. I was searching for it just now, but all I could find was a comment from Katz about him slaughtering and skinning sheep – nothing about WHY he did this. Was he working with sheep at the time, as some kind of farmhand? Or was it done unlawfully? The act itself isn't necessarily indicative of anything if he did it as part of a job, say. If he was killing sheep for kicks on the other hand, it would say a great deal about his personality.

Re: Ross doing harm to others

PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:00 pm
by morf13
No doubt, people that hurt animals for the sake of hurting them sometimes go on to do worse things. If it was as a farmhand, etc it may be easier to explain.

Re: Ross doing harm to others

PostPosted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:28 pm
by ophion1031
morf13 wrote:No doubt, people that hurt animals for the sake of hurting them sometimes go on to do worse things. If it was as a farmhand, etc it may be easier to explain.

Jeffrey Dahmer would agree with that!

Re: Ross doing harm to others

PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:55 am
by ophion1031
Has there been any discussion into the death of Ross' father maybe being the final straw for Ross and then he becomes Z shortly after? His father died just a couple months before the first confirmed Z attack. We know, from Allan Silliphant, that Ross hated his father, but perhaps he wanted to mend the relationship and it ended up being too late?

Re: Ross doing harm to others

PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:59 pm
by JeffP
ophion1031 wrote:Has there been any discussion into the death of Ross' father maybe being the final straw for Ross and then he becomes Z shortly after? His father died just a couple months before the first confirmed Z attack. We know, from Allan Silliphant, that Ross hated his father, but perhaps he wanted to mend the relationship and it ended up being too late?


I got one better: what if Ross killed his father and "made it look like a suicide."

Also, anyone willing to bet that Ross was driving around his fathers old car. I doubt his father had much of an estate, but he had a job so he probably had a car. After he died, who got possession of that car? I'm betting it was Ross.

Re: Ross doing harm to others

PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:09 pm
by morf13
JeffP wrote:
ophion1031 wrote:Has there been any discussion into the death of Ross' father maybe being the final straw for Ross and then he becomes Z shortly after? His father died just a couple months before the first confirmed Z attack. We know, from Allan Silliphant, that Ross hated his father, but perhaps he wanted to mend the relationship and it ended up being too late?


I got one better: what if Ross killed his father and "made it look like a suicide."

Also, anyone willing to bet that Ross was driving around his fathers old car. I doubt his father had much of an estate, but he had a job so he probably had a car. After he died, who got possession of that car? I'm betting it was Ross.


That's a big leap

Re: Ross doing harm to others

PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:19 pm
by Seagull
Ross's father died back east, we have no evidence that Ross went back east after his father left.

Re: Ross doing harm to others

PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:33 am
by duckking2001
That's odd because that is the exact legal wording requiring that a person receive psychiatric treatment and/or confinement. Which we know of course that Ross did. I kind of doubt that he would use that as a self descriptor.

http://www.forensicpanel.com/expert_services/psychiatry/civil_law/involuntary_hospital_commitment.html

The prevailing standard for psychiatric commitment requires a finding that the examinee be dangerous to self or to others in order to be hospitalized against one’s will. Depending on the state, “dangerous’ may include a passive danger to oneself through profound neglect.