The most important question about Ross, HOW & WHY?

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The most important question about Ross, HOW & WHY?

Postby morf13 » Tue May 19, 2015 11:34 am

The most important question about Ross, HOW & WHY did he become a Suspect?

We know about Ross only thanks to Vallejo Times Herald Reporter, Dave Peterson(and also Joann Bailey RC Librarian). But how & why was Peterson interested in him? Was it as simple as him asking the Riverside Librarians about any Suspects that they had? Or, was Peterson turned on to Ross in some other way, and went looking there with the Librarians for answers?

This may remain a mystery, but the one thing that's clear, he didn't put a finger on the city of Santa Cruz and say let's pick a random name from there, and wound up with Ross. Could Ross have had a local connection to the Vallejo area, which is why Dave was interested in him?
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Re: The most important question about Ross, HOW & WHY?

Postby Norse » Tue May 19, 2015 3:29 pm

If it were possible somehow to dig up the letter which preceded the one posted in the summary thread (from Peterson to Toschi), that could possibly shed some light on the matter.

Peterson must have presented Ross as a suspect to Toschi in some form or other.

Similarly, you'd think he would have done the same to someone at RPD. Probably near impossible to get one's hands on anything like that after all these years, though.

It could be as simple as the suggestion above, though: Peterson decided to ask around at the library, see if anyone had noticed anyone or anything – and then Ross came up.
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Re: The most important question about Ross, HOW & WHY?

Postby Talon » Tue May 19, 2015 4:10 pm

Norse wrote:If it were possible somehow to dig up the letter which preceded the one posted in the summary thread (from Peterson to Toschi), that could possibly shed some light on the matter.

Peterson must have presented Ross as a suspect to Toschi in some form or other.

Similarly, you'd think he would have done the same to someone at RPD. Probably near impossible to get one's hands on anything like that after all these years, though.

It could be as simple as the suggestion above, though: Peterson decided to ask around at the library, see if anyone had noticed anyone or anything – and then Ross came up.


One would expect (or at least hope) that this was done by the RPD first thing Monday morning. It sure appears the librarians were well aware of Ross and would have certainly shared their concerns with detectives. And perhaps they did but the question is why did Riverside LE seeming dismiss Ross' at this early stage in the investigation?
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Re: The most important question about Ross, HOW & WHY?

Postby Norse » Tue May 19, 2015 4:23 pm

Yes, I was thinking the same thing.

It would be very odd if the cops didn't talk to the staff – it's an obvious thing to do. Ross seems to have sprung to mind right away when Peterson talked to the librarian (and she states they were all creeped out by Ross, etc., so it wasn't just her). You'd think someone there would have mentioned him to the cops.

And, well – if I were a cop and someone told me roughly what the librarian told Peterson, I'd check the guy out. Would be pretty much negligent not to.
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Re: The most important question about Ross, HOW & WHY?

Postby capricorn » Tue May 19, 2015 5:14 pm

Don't forget the re-enactment the police did in the library. The man with the beard was missing but I don't think Ross had a beard. Was Ross in the library the day Cheri was murdered? Was he at the re-enactment?

I liked Ross as a poi at first but now wonder if the librarian didn't rush to judgment mainly because of the creep factors surrounding Ross.

Imo, the Zodiac is more likely to be a ordinary looking man and would be the last person anyone known to him would suspect rather than someone like Ross who was noticeable because of his dress, odor, strange poem writing, etc.
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Re: The most important question about Ross, HOW & WHY?

Postby snooter » Tue May 19, 2015 7:08 pm

A - His brother lied on his behalf (alibi)
B - Ross was investigated and his alibi was verified
C - Riverside PD did not do anything in regards to Ross

Ross as POI for CJB is hard to dispute..we know he was there..Ross as POI for being the Z..yea i can see some aspects but explicit link is lacking (as well for all others)..may be the Z was a kansas city A's fan and when they left KC to oakland in 68 he followed determined to raise hell/havoc in the bay area..(ok i give a KC connection a 1% chance-for now)
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Re: The most important question about Ross, HOW & WHY?

Postby Talon » Tue May 19, 2015 7:55 pm

I would bet Ross was not in the library that night. (I guess he could have been hiding outside). Would love to get a look at the list of kids who came to the meeting. Ross was a big guy - hard to miss.
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Re: The most important question about Ross, HOW & WHY?

Postby morf13 » Tue May 19, 2015 8:29 pm

Ross was checked by the Cops according to Joann Bailey, but he supposedly had an alibi. Could his alibi be a bogus one? Sure, but even if he didn't kill Cheri and had an alibi, he could still be Z. Remember, as soon as the Librarians heard about Cheri, they thought of Ross, and sure enough, he was away from the Library in the days after the murder. Why was he away? He was a fixture in the library,so missing for days following the murder, was easily noticed.
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Re: The most important question about Ross, HOW & WHY?

Postby Theforeigner » Tue May 19, 2015 8:33 pm

A VERY important question IMHO is:

If Ross Sullivan couln't drive, how could he possibly be the Zodiac Killer???


http://ratter.com/this-mans-brother-is- ... 1702397797

Sullivan’s high school friend Allan Silliphant told me, Sullivan’s intellect matched that commonly associated with the Zodiac: while Silliphant read comic books as a child, Sullivan scanned the New Yorker.
But Silliphant, like others, is not at all convinced that his old pal is the Zodiac, even if Morford is sure. Sullivan couldn’t drive, and so he has a hard time believing Sullivan could have traveled across the Bay Area or escaped the scenes as easily as the Zodiac did. He was also far too fat, Silliphant said, to pull off these killings in the light of the day and not be caught.
Hi, english is not my first language so please bear with me :)
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Re: The most important question about Ross, HOW & WHY?

Postby smokie treats » Tue May 19, 2015 8:44 pm

Theforeigner wrote:A VERY important question IMHO is:

If Ross Sullivan couln't drive, how could he possibly be the Zodiac Killer???


http://ratter.com/this-mans-brother-is- ... 1702397797

Sullivan’s high school friend Allan Silliphant told me, Sullivan’s intellect matched that commonly associated with the Zodiac: while Silliphant read comic books as a child, Sullivan scanned the New Yorker.
But Silliphant, like others, is not at all convinced that his old pal is the Zodiac, even if Morford is sure. Sullivan couldn’t drive, and so he has a hard time believing Sullivan could have traveled across the Bay Area or escaped the scenes as easily as the Zodiac did. He was also far too fat, Silliphant said, to pull off these killings in the light of the day and not be caught.


Whether Ross drove a car is obviously a key fact, and needs to be verified by a second source of information before anyone can even think about making a decision about whether Ross was the Zodiac. Silliphant was Ross's childhood friend, and probably didn't know about where Ross was or doing in 1968-69. It all boils down to the evidence, of which there is not enough. However, there is enough information about Ross to keep him as a POI and justify making further investigations.
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