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I reached out again one last time to Peterson's Family, fingers crossed

morf13 wrote:I reached out again one last time to Peterson's Family, fingers crossed

It would be great if you could talk with them again. Good luck.

On edit: By the way, I contacted Gerald Katz and he told me that the police officer from Riverside never contacted him. So I doubt he ever contacted Bonnie either even though he asked for and I gave him the contact information for both. Another frustrating end.

I basically laid out the case against Ross and though he seemed interested at first, it wasn't apparently that compelling to him. He hasn't returned any of my messages since February.

JeffP wrote:

morf13 wrote:I reached out again one last time to Peterson's Family, fingers crossed

It would be great if you could talk with them again. Good luck.

On edit: By the way, I contacted Gerald Katz and he told me that the police officer from Riverside never contacted him. So I doubt he ever contacted Bonnie either even though he asked for and I gave him the contact information for both. Another frustrating end.

I basically laid out the case against Ross and though he seemed interested at first, it wasn't apparently that compelling to him. He hasn't returned any of my messages since February.

It's unfortunate, I'm sure they hear "Zodiac" and instantly tune out. They have probably been bombarded with claims that every Z suspect must be the killer of CJB. They probably have received reams of information how Gyke had to be her killer because he had a second cousin who lived in San Diego and that is within 100 miles of the RCC..... you know how it goes.

It's amazing what we now know about Ross. He was considered a suspect in the Bates long before the Z crimes by the people he worked with everyday. Now, years later, we know he had a close connection to Bates, and was in the bay area in time for the Z crimes.

RPD is in a difficult position. If they do re-examine Ross, and he was the one responsible, RPD might have to explain how an early suspect slipped by them for 50 years. This would also mean their failure to stop him then, allowed the Z crime spree and at least 5 more people to die.

If anyone wants to fall back on the "they cleared Ross in 1966" , take a good look at the case of the Green River Killer. He was "cleared" almost 20 years before he was arrested. It happens all the time.

Ridgway :He became a suspect in 1983 in the Green River killings. In 1984, Ridgway took and passed a polygraph test (quality control protocols later developed in the FBI after careful review determined that Ridgway actually failed his polygraph test)

My fear is that unless somebody steps forward that knew Ross 1968-1974, or a Family member, then we will likely never find out anything else. I'd love to see if Toschi ever ruled him out as Peterson asked him to.

morf13 wrote:My fear is that unless somebody steps forward that knew Ross 1968-1974, or a Family member, then we will likely never find out anything else. I'd love to see if Toschi ever ruled him out as Peterson asked him to.

That's just it. Toschi probably did contact Bud Kelly and was told Ross was ruled out in the CJB murder. That could be RPD's big error in solving their case. Toschi would then have no reason to look into Ross as Z.

It's also possible that the main reason the current RPD investigators are aware of Ross is that Toschi and other original investigators have been contacted about Ross in the past year. One of them might have reached out to RPD, and they might just be resorting to a flawed report on him from 50 years ago.

Or, it could be that Ross did, in fact, have a tight alibi for the murder.

Recently an article was posted on these forums that stated, near the time of CJB's murder, that someone associated with Patton had confessed, but was later cleared. Well, that may have been Ross, and if he thought he (in whatever state of mind he may have been in at the time) thought he had done it, that could explain him writing the confession letters. CJB may have rejected him at some point too. He was known for writing disturbing poetry, and the desktop poem writing matches (we think) the confessions and later Z writing.

So... trying to tie Ross to the CJB murder might be a dead end and perhaps rightfully so. Tying him to the writings and the Z crimes is much harder but more to the point.

Can someone who lives out there just go through those yearbooks Ross is in, and ones from Riverside when he worked in the library, and systematically contact his classmates one by one, to learn anything that might be insignificant to them, but relevant to us? For example, did he have a nickname that could relate to "RH" (for instance, RedHead)? Who did he hang out with (highly significant if Cheri's killer is ever identified and that person was a close Ross associate.) Did Ross sign anyone's yearbook, thus giving us another example of his handwriting.

Can anyone attend class reunions to meet people who would've known Ross?

I know it's easy for me to sit here in Minnesota and ask if someone else can do all that work, but a systematic effort to contact everyone possible who knew Ross, starting with those who went to school with him, is the only way I can think to uncover some of the many puzzle pieces we're missing. And, of course, time is not an ally.

Marshall wrote:Or, it could be that Ross did, in fact, have a tight alibi for the murder.

Recently an article was posted on these forums that stated, near the time of CJB's murder, that someone associated with Patton had confessed, but was later cleared. Well, that may have been Ross, and if he thought he (in whatever state of mind he may have been in at the time) thought he had done it, that could explain him writing the confession letters. CJB may have rejected him at some point too. He was known for writing disturbing poetry, and the desktop poem writing matches (we think) the confessions and later Z writing.

So... trying to tie Ross to the CJB murder might be a dead end and perhaps rightfully so. Tying him to the writings and the Z crimes is much harder but more to the point.

Can someone who lives out there just go through those yearbooks Ross is in, and ones from Riverside when he worked in the library, and systematically contact his classmates one by one, to learn anything that might be insignificant to them, but relevant to us? For example, did he have a nickname that could relate to "RH" (for instance, RedHead)? Who did he hang out with (highly significant if Cheri's killer is ever identified and that person was a close Ross associate.) Did Ross sign anyone's yearbook, thus giving us another example of his handwriting.

Can anyone attend class reunions to meet people who would've known Ross?

I know it's easy for me to sit here in Minnesota and ask if someone else can do all that work, but a systematic effort to contact everyone possible who knew Ross, starting with those who went to school with him, is the only way I can think to uncover some of the many puzzle pieces we're missing. And, of course, time is not an ally.

I don't think there was an alibi at all. The cop never mentioned anything about an alibi. I think he was cleared from fingerprints and not having scratch marks on his face (although he was interviewed two weeks after the murder). I think the librarian is the one who mentioned the alibi but it could have been an opinion on her part as to why the police didn't take Ross seriously when they were trying to get the police to look at it in the 70s.

I think the police blew me off once he realized I got some of that info from some Zodiac site. I don't think he ever checked anything. But I did get information from him which is positive. He knew who Ross was without looking him up and he told me the reason the police moved on from him.

JeffP wrote:I don't think there was an alibi at all. The cop never mentioned anything about an alibi....

I believe Zodiac researcher Howard Davis spoke to RPD (in the 1990's) and according to him "Ross had an alibi, a good one."
Anything is possible. Zodiac or not the CJB case remains unsolved. So, RPD might want to take a second look.

As far as speaking to more people, outside of Jon and Bonnie, Noel Jette was living with Ross when the police interviewed him. My understanding is she is not talking.

Dennis H, was CJB boyfriend at SFSU. The yellow book talks about how Cheri visited him before the murder. But the visit also lines up with the wedding, so it's possible Dennis has photos or a memory of meeting Ross at the wedding.

As for Riverside, I feel that the press there should at least know what we know about Ross. They might be able to twist RPD's arms since they are local.

The worst thing that is going to happen will be this; on the 50th anniversary they will run a story about CJB and her murder. It will then talk about the possible Zodiac connection, then just like every lazy reporter has been doing, will bring up Earl Van Best.

We need to put a stop to that!

Paul_Averly wrote:As far as speaking to more people, outside of Jon and Bonnie, Noel Jette was living with Ross when the police interviewed him. My understanding is she is not talking.

Dennis H, was CJB boyfriend at SFSU. The yellow book talks about how Cheri visited him before the murder. But the visit also lines up with the wedding, so it's possible Dennis has photos or a memory of meeting Ross at the wedding.

As for Riverside, I feel that the press there should at least know what we know about Ross. They might be able to twist RPD's arms since they are local.

But there must be dozens of people we don't know about who knew Ross, or remember something about him, and they've never gone public with what they know because they have no idea anyone is looking for info about Ross Sullivan, all these years after he's been dead. Furthermore, who would they have gone public to, if Ross was cleared as a suspect by RPD not long after the murder?

There are many kids I went to school with, in high school and college, whom I remember things about. Big things, little things... about my friends and also about people I had classes with, who may have been a little odd. If one of my more obscure ex-classmates suddenly became relevant, I could probably, at minimum, remember who that person hung out with, and I could ask the classmates I am still in touch with what they remember about that person. I could also remember some ex-classmates who lived in that particular neighborhood, and so on.....

There must be many more than just the half-dozen people we're aware of who are still alive and knew Ross.

Paul_Averly wrote:

JeffP wrote:I don't think there was an alibi at all. The cop never mentioned anything about an alibi....

I believe Zodiac researcher Howard Davis spoke to RPD (in the 1990's) and according to him "Ross had an alibi, a good one."
Anything is possible. Zodiac or not the CJB case remains unsolved. So, RPD might want to take a second look.

As far as speaking to more people, outside of Jon and Bonnie, Noel Jette was living with Ross when the police interviewed him. My understanding is she is not talking.

Dennis H, was CJB boyfriend at SFSU. The yellow book talks about how Cheri visited him before the murder. But the visit also lines up with the wedding, so it's possible Dennis has photos or a memory of meeting Ross at the wedding.

As for Riverside, I feel that the press there should at least know what we know about Ross. They might be able to twist RPD's arms since they are local.

The worst thing that is going to happen will be this; on the 50th anniversary they will run a story about CJB and her murder. It will then talk about the possible Zodiac connection, then just like every lazy reporter has been doing, will bring up Earl Van Best.

We need to put a stop to that!

That's the mistake, so what if Ross had an alibi for Cheri's murder, he could still be Z,and still have written the letters in Cheri's case,even if he didn't kill her.