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Paul_Averly wrote:
Why can't the poem be about suicide, and still written by Ross?

I never said it couldn't. I was only arguing about the likelihood of the poem NOT being about suicide. Sure, it could be a poem about suicide written by a male author, from a female perspective - that is entirely possible and not unheard of as a literary device either.

In fact, I have maintained for some time now that IF the poem was written by Z, then the above is the most likely explanation for its existence: He wrote it not as Z, but as a student (or similar), and it doesn't pertain to Bates at all.

FWIW back when I was frequently communicating with law enforcement virtually every contact I had was comfortable thinking the poem was most likely referencing a man writing about killing a woman, Zodiac wrote the poem and all Riverside materials and that Z probably killed Bates.

Sounds like a suicide poem to me too, but whats matter is that its linked to zodiac by handwriting. Not what its about.

Desktop poem is thought to be from the Zodiac. Hundreds of literary experts claim it's a suicide note from a female. The Zodiac is a woman! Talk about crackproof. We need to look for a beefy woman with a butch hairdo and glasses!

Scandinavian wrote:Sounds like a suicide poem to me too, but whats matter is that its linked to zodiac by handwriting. Not what its about.

Very true. If one goes with Morrill, it doesn't matter what the poem is seemingly about. It could be about bunnies dancing merrily in the sunshine - makes no difference whatsoever.

Problem is that Morrill's verdict isn't undisputed.

BigMajestic wrote:We need to look for a beefy woman with a butch hairdo and glasses!

It would explain a lot of things...

AK Wilks wrote:FWIW back when I was frequently communicating with law enforcement virtually every contact I had was comfortable thinking the poem was most likely referencing a man writing about killing a woman, Zodiac wrote the poem and all Riverside materials and that Z probably killed Bates.

I don't get that, to be honest. I can understand how someone might consider this a possibility, given the context, but to consider it the most likely possibility seems very odd to me. It's considerably more difficult to interpret the poem as being about murder from the male perspective than about suicide from the female perspective.

What does "sick of living/unwilling to die" refer to? Who is "she"? What's the meaning of "she will be found this time"? In the context of a suicide poem all of the above makes perfect sense, there's no need for any very inventive interpretation.
In the context of a murder poem/murder fantasy poem, however - how do we explain this? Is the murderer sick of living/unwilling to die - or the victim? Or both? Is "she", who appears to be the author, in fact the victim? Is the murderer referring to an instance of a woman being attacked, left to die - and then found? But next time she won't be - what? Found? Saved?

The obvious explanation is that the author refers to someone attempting suicide, but being found in time to be saved. It's a common phenomenon: People attempt suicide as a cry for help. Again, this isn't the only possible interpretation - it's a poem, after all. But is it a more likely interpretation than the proposed alternative (that this is a highly convoluted reference to murder)? I would say so.

Norse wrote:

Paul_Averly wrote:
In fact, I have maintained for some time now that IF the poem was written by Z, then the above is the most likely explanation for its existence: He wrote it not as Z, but as a student (or similar), and it doesn't pertain to Bates at all.

Agree, that is my take on it.

Norse wrote:

AK Wilks wrote:FWIW back when I was frequently communicating with law enforcement virtually every contact I had was comfortable thinking the poem was most likely referencing a man writing about killing a woman, Zodiac wrote the poem and all Riverside materials and that Z probably killed Bates.

I don't get that, to be honest. I can understand how someone might consider this a possibility, given the context, but to consider it the most likely possibility seems very odd to me. It's considerably more difficult to interpret the poem as being about murder from the male perspective than about suicide from the female perspective.

What does "sick of living/unwilling to die" refer to? Who is "she"? What's the meaning of "she will be found this time"? In the context of a suicide poem all of the above makes perfect sense, there's no need for any very inventive interpretation.
In the context of a murder poem/murder fantasy poem, however - how do we explain this? Is the murderer sick of living/unwilling to die - or the victim? Or both? Is "she", who appears to be the author, in fact the victim? Is the murderer referring to an instance of a woman being attacked, left to die - and then found? But next time she won't be - what? Found? Saved?

The obvious explanation is that the author refers to someone attempting suicide, but being found in time to be saved. It's a common phenomenon: People attempt suicide as a cry for help. Again, this isn't the only possible interpretation - it's a poem, after all. But is it a more likely interpretation than the proposed alternative (that this is a highly convoluted reference to murder)? I would say so.

I fully agree. I get no sense of a desire to commit murder or a wanting to kill someone when I read the poem. Purely a self confrontation with suicide and how the process might progress.

Norse wrote:I don't get that, to be honest. I can understand how someone might consider this a possibility, given the context, but to consider it the most likely possibility seems very odd to me. It's considerably more difficult to interpret the poem as being about murder from the male perspective than about suicide from the female perspective.

What does "sick of living/unwilling to die" refer to? Who is "she"? What's the meaning of "she will be found this time"? In the context of a suicide poem all of the above makes perfect sense, there's no need for any very inventive interpretation.
In the context of a murder poem/murder fantasy poem, however - how do we explain this? Is the murderer sick of living/unwilling to die - or the victim? Or both? Is "she", who appears to be the author, in fact the victim? Is the murderer referring to an instance of a woman being attacked, left to die - and then found? But next time she won't be - what? Found? Saved?

The obvious explanation is that the author refers to someone attempting suicide, but being found in time to be saved. It's a common phenomenon: People attempt suicide as a cry for help. Again, this isn't the only possible interpretation - it's a poem, after all. But is it a more likely interpretation than the proposed alternative (that this is a highly convoluted reference to murder)? I would say so.

Yes. Most suicide victims don't want to die. To me, the title SCREAMS suicide: Who is sick of living and unwilling to die?

This poem would sound funny if it was written in first person: "All over my new red dress", "I won't die this time", "Someone'll find me".

IMO, it's easier for the author to reflect on it this way.

That said, I believe this is a con for Ross to have written this poem, but I don't think Zodiac wrote it either so it doesn't make a difference to the rest of the Bates stuff or Northern California.


--I often wonder how much we could be wasting our time because we simply do not know everything LE does. Could be whoever wrote this came forward years later and all this is a moot point! Or not...