Ross Sullivan Pros Vs. Cons of him being Zodiac

[Norse]

These profiles are certainly interesting (to anyone who studies the Z case), but they're bound to be somewhat outdated. A modern expert might reach different conclusions and place Z in different categories.

Actually, you could probably swap "might" for "will".

[joedetective]

These profiles are certainly interesting (to anyone who studies the Z case), but they're bound to be somewhat outdated. A modern expert might reach different conclusions and place Z in different categories.

Actually, you could probably swap "might" for "will".

very nice way of saying it. I find there's a lot of grasping at straws like that in this thread. Granted Sullivan had a widow's peak and was overweight, and granted his tie to possible victim, CJB, but other than that the arguments become tenuous at best. Show me where, in the correspondence or in the crimes themselves, where it points to Z being a paranoid schizophrenic. Even the collecting slaves part doesn't seem that delusional, compared to some of the belief systems out there. Have you heard what scientologists and Mormons believe in?

[Tahoe27]

Have you heard what scientologists and Mormons believe in?

Now THAT is schizo!! ......"not that there is anything wrong with it"

[Norse]

Even the collecting slaves part doesn't seem that delusional, compared to some of the belief systems out there.

Yep - and then we might question to what extent he actually believed in this stuff too. For my money it's very possible that the slaves-in-the-afterlife business was just as seriously meant as his threat to blow up school buses.

[Jacen5]

These profiles are certainly interesting (to anyone who studies the Z case), but they're bound to be somewhat outdated. A modern expert might reach different conclusions and place Z in different categories.

Actually, you could probably swap "might" for "will".

very nice way of saying it. I find there's a lot of grasping at straws like that in this thread. Granted Sullivan had a widow's peak and was overweight, and granted his tie to possible victim, CJB, but other than that the arguments become tenuous at best. Show me where, in the correspondence or in the crimes themselves, where it points to Z being a paranoid schizophrenic. Even the collecting slaves part doesn't seem that delusional, compared to some of the belief systems out there. Have you heard what scientologists and Mormons believe in?

It is actually very rare for a schizophrenic to be violent toward others. That has been my problem with RS the whole time. It seems like this disease hit him in the early 1960's and by the early 1970's it had nearly destroyed him. I just don't know if he was mentally capable of committing the crimes. I've seen paranoid schizophrenia patients that went years without treatment and they are far beyond anything Z did. If anything, I would count him having schizophrenia as a con.

[BigMajestic]

Tenuous at best Joe? Read or reread the quick synopsis. He's intriguing in several ways. And WOW Tahoe! Bashing someone's religion? I didn't think a moderator would have to be told that's not cool.

[joedetective]

These profiles are certainly interesting (to anyone who studies the Z case), but they're bound to be somewhat outdated. A modern expert might reach different conclusions and place Z in different categories.

Actually, you could probably swap "might" for "will".

very nice way of saying it. I find there's a lot of grasping at straws like that in this thread. Granted Sullivan had a widow's peak and was overweight, and granted his tie to possible victim, CJB, but other than that the arguments become tenuous at best. Show me where, in the correspondence or in the crimes themselves, where it points to Z being a paranoid schizophrenic. Even the collecting slaves part doesn't seem that delusional, compared to some of the belief systems out there. Have you heard what scientologists and Mormons believe in?

It is actually very rare for a schizophrenic to be violent toward others. That has been my problem with RS the whole time. It seems like this disease hit him in the early 1960's and by the early 1970's it had nearly destroyed him. I just don't know if he was mentally capable of committing the crimes. I've seen paranoid schizophrenia patients that went years without treatment and they are far beyond anything Z did. If anything, I would count him having schizophrenia as a con.

My sentiments exactly. On the surface, sure, a guy wearing an executioner's getup, calling himself some comic book villain like name may smack of someone suffering from severe delusions -- almost reminiscent of the Joker wannabe who went on a rampage a few years ago -- but Z is a hunter, fully conscious of his actions. I honestly cannot understand how anyone could see it in any other way, putting it all in context, the ciphers, taunts, his ambush m.o.. etc.

[morf13]

Everybody is entitled to their opinions, but, it seems as if people are simply dismissing the opinions of these profilers about Z being possibly schizo, simply because it was 1969, and they didn't know what they were talking about. All due respect, those guys were trained professionals dealing with mental illnesses,so I think, 1969 or not, they likely know more about mental illness more than anybody on this forum-1969 or not. Nobody knows exactly what Ross's mental state was during 1969-74 or how lucid he was. In late 73 or 74, he had a mental conservatorship put into place, so around that time, it's safe to say, he was not doing well, and coincidentally or not, that's when the Z letters end.

[Tahoe27]

Tenuous at best Joe? Read or reread the quick synopsis. He's intriguing in several ways. And WOW Tahoe! Bashing someone's religion? I didn't think a moderator would have to be told that's not cool.

I guess I am not cool. Scientology is whacked.

[snooter]

It would not surprise me in the least if ross was not confined in mental institution from late 60's onward for any extended period of time..do a little research on the political climate in late 60's with mental institutions..now morf i agree the mental analysis on ross then is as good as can be done today..it was done at nuremberg on the nazis and who is out disputing those findings..ok grant you the army refused release of the IQ data cause everybody thought they were dumb as dirt..my how surprising that data was on inteliggence and sanity of the resenburgs, goring, ribbentrop, goebels, keitel..etc....problem we face with ross outside of rcc is where the hell were you ross?..no he stayed at the Y is not going to suffice..

i dunno..ross right now is like believing gaik is the guy cause stine lived 2 doors down..but ross is a nice trump card..cause there is nobody else at this point that can positivly be placed in the library...gaik holds his trump card because he can be placed in SF without question..