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I've argued before that it's possible Fouke's quite detailed description may have been based on notes he took on the night. Cops are trained to take notes - and this was a serious crime even before it became known Z was involved.

I'm also of the opinion that the time frame makes it very unlikely that Fouke's man and Stine's murderer was not one and the same - as does the fact that "NN = Not Z" has never been identified.

Anyway, the sketch is what it is - my take on it is that it should be treated like a general representation of what the man looked like, not an actual image of his face.

I wouldn't rule out that Z looked something like that sketch. But there are details in it which are very unlikely, not to say anatomically impossible, and which obviously do not represent what the teens actually saw. My guess is that the witnesses caught a general impression of what he looked like but not such details as the infamous "laze eye" and whatnot - which is not bad, by the way: If the sketch reflects this general impression, then we do know roughly what he looked like.

Another thing to consider is Z's own comments. These arguably indicate that he did look like the sketch. If he did not, then why give away a potential edge by outlining his game? Was his desire to rub it in and taunt so strong that he couldn't resist telling everybody about his clever "descise", even though it would clearly be tactically wiser to just let them go on looking for Mr Crew Cut n' Glasses? I don't quite buy that myself. I think the most logical explanation for his remark is that he was a bit rattled, having been observed by those teens.

Zelms gave merit to the sketch. According to his wife he carried a copy with him and regretted not apprehending him. I tend to side with an officer that was there minutes after the actual crime as to the validity of the sketch. Besides Mr. X I don't believe they encountered another man in such a tight timeframe. With the facts the probability is high this is what the Zodiac looked like.

If you want to take the word of a serial killer, you can go so far as to say that Z verified the sketch himself when he stated, "I look like the description passed out only when I do my thing, the rest of the time I look entirle different."

up2something wrote:If you want to take the word of a serial killer, you can go so far as to say that Z verified the sketch himself when he stated, "I look like the description passed out only when I do my thing, the rest of the time I look entirle different."

Something somebody would say to make police think he didnt look like that.(even though he did)

Also, regarding Fouke, he was very sure about the detail of Zodiac's hairline, he went into great detail, and said Zodiac had a specific widow's peak hairline. The sketch is based on both Fouke's, and the Kid's description of Zodiac. They changed and adjusted it until it looked right in their minds, and for better or worse, it looks exactly like Ross. People have argued, it wasn't fat enough, very well then, make it fatter, and it would still look like a fatter version of Ross. There simply is no way around it, for better or worse, that sketch looks identical to Ross, and anybody that would challenge that, is in denial.

Now,it's important to point out that while the sketch and hairline on the sketch both look like Ross, Fouke's accounting of height and age is off from Ross. Still, if Sherwood was right, how many guys that once spent time in the RCC library, looked exactly like the sketch? My guess is, not many.

morf13 wrote:

up2something wrote:If you want to take the word of a serial killer, you can go so far as to say that Z verified the sketch himself when he stated, "I look like the description passed out only when I do my thing, the rest of the time I look entirle different."

Something somebody would say to make police think he didnt look like that.(even though he did)

Also, regarding Fouke, he was very sure about the detail of Zodiac's hairline, he went into great detail, and said Zodiac had a specific widow's peak hairline. The sketch is based on both Fouke's, and the Kid's description of Zodiac. They changed and adjusted it until it looked right in their minds, and for better or worse, it looks exactly like Ross. People have argued, it wasn't fat enough, very well then, make it fatter, and it would still look like a fatter version of Ross. There simply is no way around it, for better or worse, that sketch looks identical to Ross, and anybody that would challenge that, is in denial.

Now,it's important to point out that while the sketch and hairline on the sketch both look like Ross, Fouke's accounting of height and age is off from Ross. Still, if Sherwood was right, how many guys that once spent time in the RCC library, looked exactly like the sketch? My guess is, not many.

Fouke also said Larry Kane looked like the composite, who IMO doesn't look anything like Ross or the composite imo. Fouke sometimes makes me go

Actually he said of the suspect photos he's been given to look at Kane was the closest. It would be nice to get his opinion on Ross.

BigMajestic wrote:Actually he said of the suspect photos he's been given to look at Kane was the closest. It would be nice to get his opinion on Ross.

Yep. If Kane was the closest he must have looked like the composite.

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Also, regarding Fouke, he was very sure about the detail of Zodiac's hairline, he went into great detail, and said Zodiac had a specific widow's peak hairline. The sketch is based on both Fouke's, and the Kid's description of Zodiac. They changed and adjusted it until it looked right in their minds, and for better or worse, it looks exactly like Ross. People have argued, it wasn't fat enough, very well then, make it fatter, and it would still look like a fatter version of Ross. There simply is no way around it, for better or worse, that sketch looks identical to Ross, and anybody that would challenge that, is in denial.

Now,it's important to point out that while the sketch and hairline on the sketch both look like Ross, Fouke's accounting of height and age is off from Ross. Still, if Sherwood was right, how many guys that once spent time in the RCC library, looked exactly like the sketch? My guess is, not many.[/quote][/quote][/quote]

Arguing about whether Ross Sullivan looked like the composite sketch is pointless. He looks exactly like the drawing. 1000%.
No argument from me that he's a supreme suspect in the CJB killing.
However, those circumstances do not put him lumbering along on Cherry Street. IMHO

Tahoe27 wrote:

BigMajestic wrote:Actually he said of the suspect photos he's been given to look at Kane was the closest. It would be nice to get his opinion on Ross.

Yep. If Kane was the closest he must have looked like the composite.

Or just closer to it than other guys like a bald Art Allen.

The problem with the sketch is that making too much out of a resemblance is...sketchy.

The teens themselves clearly thought Mr X looked like the sketch - to the extent that they had some sort of reaction to seeing his picture.

And I don't say that to promote Mr X, but rather to put the sketch into perspective. The sketch is clearly generic enough to make several people decent matches for Z - and that in itself says a great deal. They can't all be Z.