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Re: MT. Clue for Ross?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:55 am
by bitterbeatpoet
i agree with everything you said. good post.
one thing i do believe, but couldn't prove,
this case is not about multiple killers, writers of
letters, etc. this was the work of one single psychopath
that was intelligent but also incredibly lucky.
so, don't give him too much credit or make
the case too complex.

Re: MT. Clue for Ross?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:56 am
by marie
Guess I've been delinquent on checking new posts, so I will pipe in now.

While I usually side with Occam, I am not so sure the multiple perp theory is wrong. Maybe one killed, and then later one wrote. Don't know, but I am starting to see some contrasts in the handwritings, though perhaps nothing haldol, etc might not affect.

The CJB/Barrett/Sullivan connections are oddly coincidental, so I really am unsure what to think of that yet.

The Montana Prison break, to me, is nothing but a "fun" story. The prison break/riot was all over national news. I hate to cite wikipedia, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_State_Prison

As far as DNA, and I will add this to the DNA feed tomorrow, yes, with deep sequencing they can essentially get it down to ethnicity, and potentially family. Or darn close. Also, Harriet, the mother of Ross, had a tumor removed which may exist on slides. But to me, one thing that could be interesting is the BRCA1 and 2 genes. Harriet died of breast cancer/metastases so there may be samples. Tim died young of cancer. BRCA mutations might be a good place to start.

EDIT- too bad Ross was cremated, maybe he had a brain tumor. Not making fun, just a real possibility.

-m

Re: MT. Clue for Ross?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:13 am
by morf13
RE: DNA, all we need is a willing Family member to help rule Ross out

Re: MT. Clue for Ross?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 8:31 am
by Marshall
morf13 wrote:RE: DNA, all we need is a willing Family member to help rule Ross out


Which we don't have. It may be frustrating, but it isn't a brick wall. Just an obstacle to work around for now.

Can you ask Detective Poyser if they can, or have, analyzed their Z DNA for ethnicity traits? It's obviously already been sequenced since it's been used to rule out several suspects. That would go a long way towards pointing towards, or away from, Ross (and all other suspects.)

It's clear Det. Poyser sees value in this site, and I'm sure he'd see the advantages if we as a community could narrow the field of suspects.

Re: MT. Clue for Ross?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 9:51 am
by Mr lowe
Gotta wonder what a Ross family member would say if a decent policeman asked politely for A sample.. Elimination of Ross as a POI is a real posability, As would be closure for victims family's. It's a conundrum for them.. That quote from Edmund Burke in 'Thoughts on the Cause of Present Discontents' has, in general use, come to be delivered as, 'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. That's the conundrum for a Ross family member.. Death has removed that nessesity as no more evil can be done, so the answer can only be in the heart, and the heart pulses for all our family's for all there imperfections and in this case that is to let that family member sleep in peace. But Others are involved,and they are the potential victims family's, they are the ones not sleeping so well.

Re: MT. Clue for Ross?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:16 am
by Tahoe27
Would a photo of Ross with blonde hair rule out Cheri for some?

Re: MT. Clue for Ross?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:31 am
by Paul_Averly
Tahoe27 wrote:Would a photo of Ross with blonde hair rule out Cheri for some?


No since Ross only needed to write the letters. Even if Ross had bleach blonde hair on his head, it didn't mean every hair on his entire body was the exact same color.

Re: MT. Clue for Ross?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 12:04 pm
by JeffP
Tahoe27 wrote:Would a photo of Ross with blonde hair rule out Cheri for some?


There was a posting on Tom Voight's site where he asked Riverside Police Detective Steve Shumway several questions about why he didn't believe Zodiac had killed Cheri. This was from a couple of years ago. Shumway had listed off several points.

One point was that their candidate, Bill Bennett, had blonde hair and the sample they had on file was blonde. So I don't know why the FBI wrote down the hair was brown (NOT DARK BROWN as you keep saying). But according to the Riverside Police Department the hair was blonde. So like the rest of this case, there is a discrepancy about the physical evidence from two different good sources.

This was the one where Shumway also says, "I know one thing, the Zodiac and the killer of Cheri were two different people" or something to that effect. So you can look it up, it's there.

After all, why did the RPD go after Bennett for so long if they thought the perps hair was brown, since Bennett clearly had blonde hair?

Re: MT. Clue for Ross?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 1:03 pm
by Tahoe27
I keep saying the hair was dark brown? Only Hartnell said that.

I am strictly going by the DNA analysis--no he said she said. The FBI mentioned--and there is proof shown here documented in paperwork--(4) brown Caucasian hairs. People get hot on a suspect and they tend to dismiss viable evidence, the R.P.D. not withstanding.

Re: MT. Clue for Ross?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 1:15 pm
by morf13
Tahoe27 wrote:I keep saying the hair was dark brown? Only Hartnell said that.

I am strictly going by the DNA analysis--no he said she said. The FBI mentioned--and there is proof shown here documented in paperwork--(4) brown Caucasian hairs. People get hot on a suspect and they tend to dismiss viable evidence, the R.P.D not withstanding.


Problem is, Hartnelll said that & it's in the report,but in the same report, a witness told police that Cecelia said Z was wearing glasses under the hood. So...do we believe the reports, or not believe the reports??