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I wish we had more clear samples of Ross's writing to work with, and again, if Ross & Z were both using the same ink,marker, etc,, may be easier to see more similarity or differences.

Example-If you were to write, 'THE CAT IN THE HAT CHASED AFTER THE RAT' in both pen and marker/felt tip, there would appear to be differences.

Trav brought this up already, but I'm amazed at how close it is. (Remember, 12 year difference)

Paul_Averly wrote:Trav brought this up already, but I'm amazed at how close it is. (Remember, 12 year difference)

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I had forgotten that, very close isn't it?. Just one more reason to like Ross

That's why we need as many samples of a poi's writing as possible. It is close, it's very close but it's also different. Both the tail on the a and the n go up at the end. On Zodiac's they go down. I know it seems like nit picking but that's where other samples come into play. To help you see if there's a pattern in the broader picture.

Also you have to consider that this is Ross's 'natural' writing and the RP letter is stylized and not Z's natural writing so that 'n' is a construct and not a normal writing pattern. I think it's safer to stick to the letters that share the most patterns when it comes to Z's stuff and comparing it to a poi's writing. Less ambiguity as to what you are actually comparing.

sure it "looks like it" which may be enough... but I did notice that Z's "n" seems to continue on after the first upstroke, possibly even to a second stroke, before beginning the downstroke. On Ross' it appears that it abruptly shifts straight to the downstroke. Also as noted, the tail is different.

So would you call that around 80% match on that letter?

I agree some differences, but also written years apart, one on an official govt paper, and one on a letter that is a piece of criminal evidence, so could explain a slight difference in that n. By the way, the SS application from Ross is of really poor quality. We need more samples from Ross, which I doubt we will get

So frustrating, that we cannot obtain more samples. I've been pondering how I might track something down -- cancelled checks that would be kept on file at a bank (unlikely), tax returns, leases, that sort of thing... but with Ross being institutionalized, he likely did not handle any administrative duties for himself in those later years.

If he worked in the library, and attended high school and RCC at some point, you would think there would be something. But without great record keeping in those days, and with so much time that has gone by, it seems like a long shot.

If Joann Bailey, the RCC Librarian was alive, she might be able to help. The best source now would be Ross's Family, and they are not willing to help.

To the Family of Ross Sullivan, if you're reading this as I think you may be, help clear Ross's name, and provide us with writing samples, or additionally, contact me privately via the contact page on the main page of this site. I would love to help clear Ross, so please, help us do that

I admire the ability of all who are able to get these social security applications but imo it is pointless and I don't mean any criticism by this opinion.

At first, I thought it was a great idea but after seeing so many examples have changed my mind. Most of these were done years before the crimes and the person's writing in many cases has changed dramatically. Mine is a good example. I applied for my card when I was about 15 yrs. old in order to get a work permit IIRC. When I compare that signature to the one when I was only 6 yrs. older (21) it looks much different.

One reason to account for this is the difference in pens used and the amount of space available on the form.

Signatures on voter's registration forms or Selective Service would be more representative of an individual's true handwriting imo as they would have been older in most cases when these were signed.

Looking thru Ross's SS application, not much to work with I know, but one thing that jumps out at me, Ross shares Zodiac's odd spacing habits in his writing