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Re: Ross Handwriting

Posted:
Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:57 pm
by Norse
The problem is - again - that there aren't any details: We have no idea why the brother suspected him. Was it an offhand remark? A hunch? For all we know he may have thought Ross' personality in some ways made him a likely candidate - but without being familiar with either the precise nature of Ross' institutional life or the details of the Z case (dates, not least). He had been living in Canada for years unless I'm mistaken.
Then we have the other brother's remark - about Tim not being well either. What does that mean exactly? Presumably there's a reason for this remark - just as there's a reason why Tim suspected Ross. Or allegedly suspected Ross - according to one man, who didn't elaborate.
Not questioning the honesty, memory or integrity of anyone involved with this - but it's all incredibly vague.
Re: Ross Handwriting

Posted:
Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:23 pm
by Tahoe27
morf13 wrote:
*Ross was under care from 1974 to 1977. When was the last Z letter? 1974.
But again, according to Morrill there was a 1978 letter that he confirmed. If one uses him time and time again as being the best there is, how do you refute that?
Re: Ross Handwriting

Posted:
Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:46 pm
by duckking2001
We already have a 150 page Ross thread, a 20 page or so pros and Cons thread, and many others devoted to specifics about Ross...do we really need to spend most of this thread debating about whether he's a good suspect or not?
I'd like to see this thread stick to the handwriting, or aspects relevant to that.
Re: Ross Handwriting

Posted:
Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:50 pm
by Norse
duckking2001 wrote:We already have a 150 page Ross thread, a 20 page or so pros and Cons thread, and many others devoted to specifics about Ross...do we really need to spend most of this thread debating about whether he's a good suspect or not?
I'd like to see this thread stick to the handwriting, or aspects relevant to that.
You're absolutely right - of course.
Re: Ross Handwriting

Posted:
Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:50 pm
by snooter
Tahoe27 wrote:morf13 wrote:
*Ross was under care from 1974 to 1977. When was the last Z letter? 1974.
But again, according to Morrill there was a 1978 letter that he confirmed. If one uses him time and time again as being the best there is, how do you refute that?
You dont...if u believe the eureka card was legit it would have to be z was a livin graying 50 plus year dude by then...to me..the whole cesspool of evidence point to multiple z theory in some regards
Re: Ross Handwriting

Posted:
Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:16 pm
by duckking2001
Or just that the hoax writer of the '78 letter and card copied, traced real Zodiac handwriting, which was pretty much the conclusions of those that deemed them as non matching.
As far as I know no one has ever disputed the matches for the other letters. I don't think you can base that on a reason to dismiss Morrill's other matches.
Re: Ross Handwriting

Posted:
Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:36 pm
by PinkPhantom
I know this may be a long shot, but is there any way to track down that supposed paper Ross wrote at RCC about graphology/handwriting? I doubt it, but maybe the professor saved his paper?
His transcripts would need to be found (Jo Ann mentions his transcripts in her letter), then focus in on the English courses he took (he wrote the paper for an English class), and hopefully there is record of who taught the class there. Whoever it is it seemed she/he may have conversed often with Jo Ann about Ross. I don't know how or where I could find his transcripts at RCC or if those are already long gone by now.
But gosh what I wouldn't do for that term paper and to also speak to Ross's professors/advisors/counsellors - whoever is still alive that is! They can't all be gone, can they?
By looks of things, there's pretty much zero chance of me getting his transcripts (maybe someone else here is with LE and can do that sort of thing?). It seems hard to come by any transcripts before 1974 and even if they had them, I would have to show up in person with a copy of Ross's ID and a letter from Ross saying "Hey it's Ross. Let Pinkphantom look at my crap. Peace out."
Re: Ross Handwriting

Posted:
Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:13 pm
by Norse
If he took written exams at RCC, I guess there's a chance there would be copies (multiple-layer answer papers were in use at the time - I think). But whether these are still kept - nevermind accessible - is doubtful.
Re: Ross Handwriting

Posted:
Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:38 pm
by PinkPhantom
Good idea Norse! I too fear they might not be accessible. We need more sources of handwriting for Ross IMHO.
Re: Ross Handwriting

Posted:
Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:45 pm
by Tahoe27
duckking2001 wrote:Or just that the hoax writer of the '78 letter and card copied, traced real Zodiac handwriting, which was pretty much the conclusions of those that deemed them as non matching.
As far as I know no one has ever disputed the matches for the other letters. I don't think you can base that on a reason to dismiss Morrill's other matches.
An expert would know the difference.